Does it comply with Net Neutrality?
NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection
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#112I was participating in NYC Mesh for awhile, but eventually I had to unplug because I got notices from my ISP about copyright infringement and I didn't want my internet access to get shut off. So sad. I really want this effort to succeed.
Freifunk, a somewhat similar German project solves this by using a mesh VPN to tunnel traffic out.
IIRC, also being registered as an ISP, giving them certain protections.
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#113Are there any similar initiatives in London?
Failing that, any Londoners who are interested in starting something like this?
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Collective action can give all of us, including ourselves, more freedom. This isn’t about torrents, it’s about the freedom to use the internet without surveillance and monitoring of our every move.
Obligatory tragedy of commons reference
The tragedy of the commons is not a natural law.
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#115This doesn't seem to actually be a mesh network.
Yes, it is, though the homepage doesn't seem to explain it well. You can connect to their "supernodes" which are the backbone, that connect to the Internet proper. You can also connect via other member nodes. So by my understanding of the colloquial term "mesh" for wifi, it is. I do take issue with their FAQ stating they're not an ISP. They are providing Internet access to the public. They are an ISP, even if their s…
It's not really a mesh network. It's basically stick a dish on your roof and point it at a tower downtown that has a direct connection to the internet.
Yes you can then extend it a bit a sort of create a mesh, but it's not really the same as having a mesh network which spreads out evenly from individual access points.
Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection
#116Are there any similar initiatives in London? Failing that, any Londoners who are interested in starting something like this?
Not that I know of, and I don't see a major business-case for it. The UK ISP market is much better than its US counterpart (we have no Comcast, for starters) so I'm not sure there would be enough demand for a wireless ISP.
But if you have any ideas on how to make this profitable, I'm up for it. Email in my profile.
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#117Are the organizers in this thread? I wonder if you folks were aware of cjdns, and if so why the decision not to use it? I've been thinking about setting up a cjdns-based mesh network in Philly but I don't think I have line-of-sight to any geeks.
Hi, I run Philly Mesh. You might be close to some other geeks, but if not you can always use cjdns' overlay ability :).
Come chat if you’d like, https://phillymesh.net
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#118I love the idea but how do you connect to the greater internet? What will happen when you get a request to say what user was running on a certain day talking to whatever, or handle NSLs?
From the article: "The network connects directly to the internet backbone, so we do not rely on an ISP." Their peering policy: https://nycmesh.net/peering/
A tiny AS like this certainty relies on their upstream transit ISPs. I doubt they're getting more than 1/8th of the global v4 routing table via local free peering.
Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection
#119This doesn't seem to actually be a mesh network.
Yes, it is, though the homepage doesn't seem to explain it well. You can connect to their "supernodes" which are the backbone, that connect to the Internet proper. You can also connect via other member nodes. So by my understanding of the colloquial term "mesh" for wifi, it is. I do take issue with their FAQ stating they're not an ISP. They are providing Internet access to the public. They are an ISP, even if their s…
This is not really a mesh neteork. It may resemble a mesh in a logical diagram, but it's composed of PTP wireless, ptmp, and fiber.
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#120This doesn't seem to actually be a mesh network.
From the article: "All of our network nodes cooperate in the distribution of data, and the network can also function independently in case of emergencies or internet shutdown." Sounds fairly meshy to me.
Something like bgp+ospf adjacency between routers and ring/triangle shaped networks can provide a high degree of resilience, but are not "mesh".