There are dozens of us! DOZENS!
Ok, we changed 'dozens' to 'some' above.
The original title or "more than 100" would be more informative. "Some" could mean single digits or thousands.
Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#52Not all views deserve respect. Depending on what specific views they are talking about a lot of the ones circulating should not be tolerated.
That’s an interesting reaction. Are there also some left leaning views that don’t deserve respect?
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#53Can someone help me with this paywall?
If you've browsed a lot of NYTimes articles without a paid account, then you'll get paywalled. Using a fresh incognito window usually takes care of the problem. If that doesn't work, I've found that visiting their articles from a Google News link will remove the paywall for the first article you visit.
TBH if you visit them enough to get the paywall, then you probably ought to just pony up the reasonable monthly subscription fee.
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#54Not all views deserve respect. Depending on what specific views they are talking about a lot of the ones circulating should not be tolerated.
The problem is who decides what views should or should not be tolerated? Some would say if you eat meat you should not be tolerated. Others might think pro-choice ideas should not be tolerated. That aside, we really need to figure out as a society how to fix a few notions. 1) You have some sort of right to not be offended. 2) You must get outraged at anything you disagree with. There once was a time when two people w…
That's a view that's very fine in the abstract but breaks down when you try to apply it to reality.
There has never been a time when a white supremacist and the target of his ire could sit down and "have a free exchange of ideas"; those interactions ended with the poor soul on the end of a rope.
There likewise has never been a time when LGBT individuals could sit down with radical evangelicals and discuss the finer points on how the fomer are evil sinners who should die in hellfire.
Workers formed unions and striked rather than calmly discuss their differences of labor policy opinion with business owners.
No one has any right to demand civility for ideas that reject it on principle. When you pine for the "good old days" what you're saying is "I wish it was the fifties when those women/coloreds/gays would sit down and do as their told under threat of violence; we had such a good market place of ideas back then."
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#55Regarding 'only 100+ people out of 25,000 employees' comments - I would bet that the total number of employees who disagree with mainstream PC liberal views so prominent in our industry is about half, at least one third. However - most are choosing to stay quiet.
I am posting this anonymously as well. While I don't work at FB, I work at a 'hot tech startup', and cannot risk being 'outed' as a conservative. I would categorize my views as 'slightly right of center', very moderate, but it seems like anything not agreeing with Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders' socialism is equal to being called a 'nazi' in our industry.
I feel very sad about this state of affairs, and I applaud Mr. Amerige for his bravery to do this. I applaud everyone who chose to publicly join him in this effort, putting their careers and livelihoods at danger, risking never being employed in Silicon Valley again.
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#56Good for them. The structural change needed in our industry is for labor (or, to use a term we're apparently more comfortable with, "talent") to reassert itself, and for tech giants to reconcile themselves to the fact that they're accountable not just to their shareholders but to their employees. I hope this gets nasty, and that these FB employees ultimately find recourse in the NLRA. We forget that this industry is…
The idea that a bunch of highly paid conservative software developers would unionize and get the NLRB involved is rich.
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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#57Good for them. The structural change needed in our industry is for labor (or, to use a term we're apparently more comfortable with, "talent") to reassert itself, and for tech giants to reconcile themselves to the fact that they're accountable not just to their shareholders but to their employees. I hope this gets nasty, and that these FB employees ultimately find recourse in the NLRA. We forget that this industry is…
The idea that a bunch of highly paid conservative software developers would unionize and get the NLRB involved is rich.
Collective bargaining can be used to leverage other assets, besides money.
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#58Good for them. The structural change needed in our industry is for labor (or, to use a term we're apparently more comfortable with, "talent") to reassert itself, and for tech giants to reconcile themselves to the fact that they're accountable not just to their shareholders but to their employees. I hope this gets nasty, and that these FB employees ultimately find recourse in the NLRA. We forget that this industry is…
The idea that a bunch of highly paid conservative software developers would unionize and get the NLRB involved is rich.
Why?
We're all generally well-paid (even with respect to the value we create). But this whole message board is practically dedicated to the ways in which our industry pisses us off, from confiscatory IP clauses to open offices to death march projects. Who's to say labor can't organize simply for a better shop to work in? That's not unprecedented.
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#59As I have mentioned in other threads, of the dozens or possibly hundreds of co-workers I've worked directly with during my time so far in Silicon Valley I have met exactly one who disclosed conservative views and support of the Republican party. Either one, there really is a massive lack of political diversity to the extent that less than 1% SV developers are conservativez or (more likely in my opinion) two, there is widespread fear of retaliation and discrimination for making even relatively mainstream conservative views known. And I wouldn't blame them for the latter. I routinely see thinly veiled threats against conservatives in company slack channels (e.g. threatening "Nazis" while subsequently calling border control proponents "Nazis" not long after).
Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
And those employees complaining were told they're not breaking any company policies. Their group is still open and nothing has been done against them. What a controversy.
They are uniting to change Facebook's culture, not internal HR policies.
Step 1: buy 51% of FB stock.