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Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by cycrutchfield »

haha99 wrote: post #19
stochastic_monk wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking that he meant that the views held by those who have decided they’re being persecuted were views that did not deserve respect.

It depends on who you ask. Saying something in public or doing something against some of the hot, left-leaning ideas of this time (feminism, or homosexualism) could very well get you fired. I'm sure you can think of examples... Problem is that some people want to lump, for example, "abortion is murder" and "burn all niggers" together so nobody can ever make the former point.

>hot, left-leaning ideas of this time

>equal rights for women

>equal rights for people regardless of their sexuality

What is "this time"? The 1800s?

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by atlantic »

xtracerx wrote: post #5

Not all views deserve respect. Depending on what specific views they are talking about a lot of the ones circulating should not be tolerated.

Interesting point of view. Presumably, the views you agree with deserve respect, the others not so much. As the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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Post by hegz »

mbrumlow wrote: post #11
xtracerx wrote: post #5

Not all views deserve respect. Depending on what specific views they are talking about a lot of the ones circulating should not be tolerated.

The problem is who decides what views should or should not be tolerated? Some would say if you eat meat you should not be tolerated. Others might think pro-choice ideas should not be tolerated. That aside, we really need to figure out as a society how to fix a few notions. 1) You have some sort of right to not be offended. 2) You must get outraged at anything you disagree with. There once was a time when two people w…

There was never a time when different ideas were tolerated. The things we tolerate have changed. Maybe the time you speak of was the time when all of your ideas were tolerated.

In the past people tolerated the idea that it was OK to own slaves, now we dont. In the past people did not tolerate the idea that it is OK to be gay, now we do.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by euroclydon »

tptacek wrote: post #22

Good for them. The structural change needed in our industry is for labor (or, to use a term we're apparently more comfortable with, "talent") to reassert itself, and for tech giants to reconcile themselves to the fact that they're accountable not just to their shareholders but to their employees. I hope this gets nasty, and that these FB employees ultimately find recourse in the NLRA. We forget that this industry is…

The idea that a bunch of highly paid conservative software developers would unionize and get the NLRB involved is rich.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by ThrustVectoring »

xtracerx wrote: post #5

Not all views deserve respect. Depending on what specific views they are talking about a lot of the ones circulating should not be tolerated.

"Free speech" as a general principle isn't about respect. It's a practical cease-fire: we agree to not try to censor your views even while it's within our power, and you agree to not try to censor our views even while it's within your power.

If Facebook has the right to set up their workplace such that mainstream right-of-center views are excluded, then other companies have the right to set up their workplaces such that mainstream left-of-center views get excluded, too. IMO, it's far better to cut as much of the political BS as possible so that the greatest number of folks can get along and work together - this is why a lot of workplaces have a professional norm against talking politics in general.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by lainga »

hegz wrote: post #34
mbrumlow wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is who decides what views should or should not be tolerated? Some would say if you eat meat you should not be tolerated. Others might think pro-choice ideas should not be tolerated. That aside, we really need to figure out as a society how to fix a few notions. 1) You have some sort of right to not be offended. 2) You must get outraged at anything you disagree with. There once was a time when two people w…

There was never a time when different ideas were tolerated. The things we tolerate have changed. Maybe the time you speak of was the time when all of your ideas were tolerated. In the past people tolerated the idea that it was OK to own slaves, now we dont. In the past people did not tolerate the idea that it is OK to be gay, now we do.

This is a very strange opinion to take. What do you think parliaments do and/or did, declare their opinions and then bring out the swords and pistols?*

* excluding that one time with Charles Sumner.

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