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Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Not all views deserve respect. Depending on what specific views they are talking about a lot of the ones circulating should not be tolerated.

Sounds a lot like: "I can tolerate anything except the outgroup"

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anythin...

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Good for them. The structural change needed in our industry is for labor (or, to use a term we're apparently more comfortable with, "talent") to reassert itself, and for tech giants to reconcile themselves to the fact that they're accountable not just to their shareholders but to their employees. I hope this gets nasty, and that these FB employees ultimately find recourse in the NLRA.

We forget that this industry is still young. It's probably not even in its adolescence. When I started working, there was no such thing as an Internet giant. There was Intel and Microsoft and 30 different PC clone vendors and a bunch of small software shops competing to get their boxes on the shelves at Microcenter. A lot of ideas we take as axioms --- for instance, the idea that developers can't organize to coerce changes in their working environment --- haven't earned that status, and deserve to be challenged.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Seems like it's fairly true if they're already getting complaints from employees while not breaking any actual company policies.

And those employees complaining were told they're not breaking any company policies. Their group is still open and nothing has been done against them. What a controversy.

They are uniting to change Facebook's culture, not internal HR policies.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Not all views deserve respect. Depending on what specific views they are talking about a lot of the ones circulating should not be tolerated.

I agree. From the article: >This month, the social network barred the far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, a move that critics seized on as further evidence that the company harbors an anti-conservative bias. Banning someone like Alex Jones is not an anti-conservative bias. It is an anti-asshole bias. No one is going to ban you for discussing tax policy.

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. From the article: >This month, the social network barred the far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, a move that critics seized on as further evidence that the company harbors an anti-conservative bias. Banning someone like Alex Jones is not an anti-conservative bias. It is an anti-asshole bias. No one is going to ban you for discussing tax policy.

There’s a massive difference between calculated misinformation with incitement to violence and having differing views.

Sure, but I'm not the one who lumped those two together. That quote in the article says the conservative critics are the ones jumping to use Jones' ban as evidence of anti-conservative bias. The "critics" are self-identifying as Jones' allies. That is a red flag in my book since many of Jones' views don't deserve respect.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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There are dozens of us! DOZENS!

Ok, we changed 'dozens' to 'some' above.

But ... given that Facebook has around 25,000 employees and the article said "more than 100" I think the word "some" kind of overplays it. A few 10ths of a percent pretty much rounds to 0.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Not all views deserve respect. Depending on what specific views they are talking about a lot of the ones circulating should not be tolerated.

The following views were listed on the memo:

* Support of President Trump (e.g. Thiel's and Palmer Lucky's campaign contributions)

* "All lives matter"

* Criticism of Islam's human rights record.

* Calling the company's art politically radical .

Which, if any, of these views don't deserve respect?

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