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Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by taurath » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 10:42 PM UTC

joezydeco wrote: post #12

smaili wrote: post #5

> We created a new kind of computer so we built a whole new operating system. One that gets the most out of our spatial computing system by working in tandem with digital lightfields and the brain. Lumin OS is fully optimized for environment recognition, persistent digital content and the performance to power high-fidelity visual experiences that turns your wildest imagination into even wilder realities. Super curiou…

"Magic Leap says they have “built a whole new operating system” called LuminOS to take advantage of their “spatial computing system“. It is actually just Android with custom stuff on top, the same approach most people take when they want to claim they have built a whole operating system... I hope Magic Leap does cool stuff in the future, but the current UI is basically an Android Wear watch menu that floats in front…

Wait, they used the magnet-based tracking system?? Those DO NOT WORK, and has been proved over and over again - having a tube-light in the same room will make them not work.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by jarsin » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 10:44 PM UTC

Raphmedia wrote: post #56

Before judging the price, remember that other less useful luxury tech gadgets have similar price points. E.g. Sony's new Aibo at $2899.

I don't have kids yet, but when I do I am so glad I won't have to buy them a dog that craps all over everything. So worth 3k.

Thank god to SNE.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by GW150914 » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 10:53 PM UTC

SahAssar wrote: post #99

GW150914 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It never existed and was never going to exist, except as marketing and investor hype. Same with their fiber-scanning display, and everything else that doesn’t add up to, “like a Hololens, but with a much dimmer view of the real world and more useless patents.” https://www.kguttag.com/2018/08/27/palmer-luckey-founder-of-... Quote from Palmer Luckey in that blog: “The ML1 is a not a “lightfield projector” or display by…

I don't think that's fair to say at this point. Everything points to it being vaporware right now, but nobody outside of their R&D is sure, and Palmer Luckey merely analyzed their current product just like everyone else (but perhaps with a bit more bias). It (what they advertised) looks like it's vaporware, but when they release something else I'll keep an eye on it just in case it isn't.

What’s unfair about it? They’ve spent years making claims that turned out to be patently false, and their patents tell the story of a company that pursued something better minds have failed at, and then shows them pivoting to the boring “Hololens 1.1” we see today. Other than an incredible facility with both deceptive marketing and fundraising I see no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt at this point. They’re still blathering about “photonic lightfield chips” when they’re selling run-of-the-mill waveguides.

I don’t see vapor ware, there is a product, it’s just technically unimpressive and at odds with years of marketing. If they release something else there is no indication that they’re capable of producing more than incremental modifications of existing tech. Do you see some other indication outside of their marketing and fundraising to indicate otherwise? Investors were sold on visions of something completely at odds with their actual product, how is that not a huge red flag?

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by DonHopkins » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 10:58 PM UTC

GW150914 wrote: post #66

freeone3000 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has a slightly wider field of view and two focal planes. Also, it's cheaper.

It also has a wired headset to a belt computing device, and a dimmer view of the real world. I’m not convinced that the FOV is worth that.

When I see "belt computing" I think of Factorio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSfVqIkVEnI

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by sharkweek » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 10:59 PM UTC

40acres wrote: post #50

It's interesting reading startup literature regarding MVPs and iterating quickly and notice that almost none of it applies to the AR/VR space. Between Magic Leap and Ubiquty6 it seems like the most interesting players in AR are more notable for their funding rounds than for anything else. Magic Leap is rolling out their own hardware so it's more understandable but its really hard to justify spending $2K on a first ge…

I know they barely count, but there was a whole slough of little cardboard boxes you could like... slide your phone into and "experience a 360 VR environment" that seemed like MVPs to me.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by DonHopkins » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 11:01 PM UTC

IkmoIkmo wrote: post #76

sp332 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with being a better Hololens?

The fact they should've called it the Minor Leap One! All jokes aside, it was shrouded in mystery and there was some marketing material that showed, as another poster described it, modern console level graphics, when in reality the product's graphics kind of look like the 1996 N64 to 2000 PS2, so far. Plus there was excitement about certain features, like many three or even six focal planes. Instead there's two. Or t…

>That's nice, but not what people hoped for.

People hoped for what they were promised in the fictional hype.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by sharkweek » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 11:04 PM UTC

pwaai wrote: post #39

taurath wrote: post #10

Really seems like a money furnace for the investors here.

Well if you are privileged to invest in Magic Leap One, they probably aren't hurting...no sympathy from me when their plans to buy a yacht is ruined :/ It is backed by Google so there is probably plans to improve the hardware which as it stands is not impressive OR knowing Google they could pull the plug just as easily. In fact, Magic Leap One, is looking to be a major major flop, shortly after somebody released a re…

These investors are using pension fund and university endowment money to make these bets. A lot of it is the public's money that is being lost.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by sspyder » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 11:11 PM UTC

sharkweek wrote: post #105

40acres wrote: post #50

It's interesting reading startup literature regarding MVPs and iterating quickly and notice that almost none of it applies to the AR/VR space. Between Magic Leap and Ubiquty6 it seems like the most interesting players in AR are more notable for their funding rounds than for anything else. Magic Leap is rolling out their own hardware so it's more understandable but its really hard to justify spending $2K on a first ge…

I know they barely count, but there was a whole slough of little cardboard boxes you could like... slide your phone into and "experience a 360 VR environment" that seemed like MVPs to me.

AR is an order of magnitude harder than VR because of overlaying visuals on top of a view instead replacing/blocking it.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by hartator » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 11:11 PM UTC

Really, really cool. I don’t any usecases in mind, but I want one. I wish someone can just port a Sublime text or A VSCode on the headset, and code from here.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by StudentStuff » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 11:26 PM UTC

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #93

aphextron wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Are there use cases for Magic Leap that support non gamers ? Or is it mostly a niche product like an Oculus ? AR will definitely be the way forward for all computing. This brief awkward period of 50ish years using analog inputs and physical screens which we are currently living through will be seen as a blip in the history of human-computer interaction hundreds of years from now. However the only use case for this i…

Hmmm, this reads like those old predictions that we will type all of our text via voice dictation in the future. Turns out keyboards work great and are way less frustrating and more precise and the voice to text is only used in special use cases such as driving and for simple queries.

There are masses of people out there who don't type SMS out anymore, and let the errors fall where they may. I know a few people like that, some have written whole essays using speech to text.

In terms of throwing ideas into text using as little effort as possible, Google has definitely nailed it with their transcription offering. Its incredibly accurate and free for consumers to use. Hopefully Sphinx and Mozilla's DeepSpeech will improve rapidly, otherwise this will remain Google's domain.