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Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by Maybestring » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:39 PM UTC

0xCMP wrote: post #61

pwaai wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if you are privileged to invest in Magic Leap One, they probably aren't hurting...no sympathy from me when their plans to buy a yacht is ruined :/ It is backed by Google so there is probably plans to improve the hardware which as it stands is not impressive OR knowing Google they could pull the plug just as easily. In fact, Magic Leap One, is looking to be a major major flop, shortly after somebody released a re…

It's not all about the investors dude. Money misallocated means companies, solutions, and inventions that could have been built aren't since the money wasn't there. We all lose when that happens. This is a developer device. We'll see when they release the consumer one if it flops, but that'll probably be if no one makes the apps or games it needs to be successful.

These all seem a guaranteed flop at the consumer level.

Limited FOV is going to kill it for almost everyone. I think they would sell more at double the price, if they doubled the FOV.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by cglace » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:40 PM UTC

thefounder wrote: post #78

chooseaname wrote: post #63

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The problem is people don't want stuff on their face. They tolerate glasses because they are a necessity for most wearers. But if you hang outside the LensCrafters store and ask people, nearly all would tell you they generally dislike wearing them[0]. [0] Yeah, I know, there are people who wear them for "fashion".

Of course people will tolerate glasses(more or less smart) if the experience is worth it. I don't think people ever enjoyed carrying things around(laptops, tablets, smartphones etc) but they do. They don't really like big loudspeakers or TVs or tv setup boxes either still they buy them. I would replace both my laptop and my smartphone with a pair of glasses anytime(if it would be possible).

Why does this technology have to replace laptops and smartphones?

Smartphones and tablets didn't replace keyboards. They are good at somethings and laptops/desktops are good at others.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by JohnJamesRambo » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:45 PM UTC

aphextron wrote: post #60

dmode wrote: post #52

Magic Leap raised boatloads of money, which game me the impression that they are really building something mass market that can be useful for most people in this world. I am not into gaming and have kids, so cannot wear AR glasses in my home and walk around. Are there use cases for Magic Leap that support non gamers ? Or is it mostly a niche product like an Oculus ?

>Are there use cases for Magic Leap that support non gamers ? Or is it mostly a niche product like an Oculus ? AR will definitely be the way forward for all computing. This brief awkward period of 50ish years using analog inputs and physical screens which we are currently living through will be seen as a blip in the history of human-computer interaction hundreds of years from now. However the only use case for this i…

Hmmm, this reads like those old predictions that we will type all of our text via voice dictation in the future.

Turns out keyboards work great and are way less frustrating and more precise and the voice to text is only used in special use cases such as driving and for simple queries.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by scosman » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:56 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #87

40acres wrote: post #50

It's interesting reading startup literature regarding MVPs and iterating quickly and notice that almost none of it applies to the AR/VR space. Between Magic Leap and Ubiquty6 it seems like the most interesting players in AR are more notable for their funding rounds than for anything else. Magic Leap is rolling out their own hardware so it's more understandable but its really hard to justify spending $2K on a first ge…

It's new tech. It's not for you to keep in your closet. It's for hotels and arcades and parties and other such rental use cases.

It's called the "creator edition". I'd dare to say this release is targeted at devs/creators.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by ngokevin » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:56 PM UTC

sand500 wrote: post #84

spullara wrote: post #65

I have one of these and a Hololens. Basically the ML1 is incremental improvement. There are still no mainstream consumer use cases that are plausible.

Incremental improvement and $700 cheaper.

Over a 2+ year old product that is about to release a next version. At this stage, price is not a big deal. It's not close to consumer targeting. At least Microsoft gives some out to developers.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by dymk » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:57 PM UTC

ghaff wrote: post #88

gowld wrote: post #87

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It's new tech. It's not for you to keep in your closet. It's for hotels and arcades and parties and other such rental use cases.

I'd be skeptical you get sufficient volume with just specialty uses.

Magic Leap only needs to sell (roughly) 17% as many Ones as Oculus Rifts, to have equivalent sales ($2.3k vs $400 device).

And while their current hardware is expensive, I would bet that their longterm plan isn't to sell devices that cost more than $2000.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by albinofrenchy » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 10:03 PM UTC

dymk wrote: post #96

ghaff wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be skeptical you get sufficient volume with just specialty uses.

Magic Leap only needs to sell (roughly) 17% as many Ones as Oculus Rifts, to have equivalent sales ($2.3k vs $400 device). And while their current hardware is expensive, I would bet that their longterm plan isn't to sell devices that cost more than $2000.

Equivalent sales is a nonsensical metric between the two. I doubt their profit margin is 5x per device compared to the rift.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by telltruth » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 10:06 PM UTC

DonHopkins wrote: post #27

kadendogthing wrote: post #22

Are they planning a sort of technical deep dive/developer Q&A? The page reeks of marketing and is extremely lax on any kind of substantial details that would make me want to purchase one of these things. I've enjoyed my vive and rift since they both came out, and I'd love to try this gadget out. It doesn't appear to be worth the cost at face value though.

I'm shocked, I say shocked, that something from Magic Leap could possibly be said to reek of marketing. You should spend the next six minutes and seventeen seconds of your life watching this amazing piece of public relations magic that transparently unveils the deep truth of what Magic Leap is really all about: The synthesis of imagination: Rony Abovitz and Magic Leap at TEDxSarasota https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w…

Oh... that's not even their piece de resistance. Watch this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM0T6hLH15k

These folks lied straight on face of everyone like there was no tomorrow.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by SahAssar » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 10:21 PM UTC

GW150914 wrote: post #49

newfocogi wrote: post #21

What happened to Magic Leap's advanced photonic lightfield chip? I thought the thing that made Magic Leap special was their light field tech, but this just appears to be stacked wave guides, which other than having 2 focal planes seems to be the same tech as Hololens.

It never existed and was never going to exist, except as marketing and investor hype. Same with their fiber-scanning display, and everything else that doesn’t add up to, “like a Hololens, but with a much dimmer view of the real world and more useless patents.” https://www.kguttag.com/2018/08/27/palmer-luckey-founder-of-... Quote from Palmer Luckey in that blog: “The ML1 is a not a “lightfield projector” or display by…

I don't think that's fair to say at this point. Everything points to it being vaporware right now, but nobody outside of their R&D is sure, and Palmer Luckey merely analyzed their current product just like everyone else (but perhaps with a bit more bias).

It (what they advertised) looks like it's vaporware, but when they release something else I'll keep an eye on it just in case it isn't.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by 0xCMP » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 10:40 PM UTC

Maybestring wrote: post #91

0xCMP wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not all about the investors dude. Money misallocated means companies, solutions, and inventions that could have been built aren't since the money wasn't there. We all lose when that happens. This is a developer device. We'll see when they release the consumer one if it flops, but that'll probably be if no one makes the apps or games it needs to be successful.

These all seem a guaranteed flop at the consumer level. Limited FOV is going to kill it for almost everyone. I think they would sell more at double the price, if they doubled the FOV.

Agreed. I'm sure they're aware of that. But they needed to get a device to developers given that they've "built a whole new operating system" (As Lucky explained, just built stuff on Android).

Also from Palmer Lucky: They need to fix the controller. Either compromise on it or make something custom that works. Commercial applications will bring a lot of funding here and a wonky controller, when others exist which are not, will hamper that.

They have the chicken, now they need developers to make eggs. Day One of a consumer Magic Leap device needs that for anyone to say "wow, I need to have one of those in my life."