I've been wanting to get involved in this kind of thing for a while now. Shame they use Slack, and not an open platform like Matrix or IRC, though!
NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection
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Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection
#32I've been wanting to get involved in this kind of thing for a while now. Shame they use Slack, and not an open platform like Matrix or IRC, though!
I do not like slack either. that being said, get involved and get them in Matrix or IRC, not too difficult to enact change I think people could get in on it with appropriate leadership! zulip looks interesting to me as well.
I have repeatedly offered to pay for hosting a standalone Matrix server for the Julia community, and so far been ignored. Seems like people just don't care.
I think the best I can do at this point is set up my own server running Matrix (or Zulip, which I haven't really explored) and host my own bridge to ease the transition. It's the classic problem where, now that I actually have money to spend, I don't have free time or infinite energy for side-projects anymore.
Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection
#33A big problem with meshnet sofar is that it goes against the status quo, and it cut out the moneymakers and regulators, thus mesh nets have segment distances limited to ethernet and repeaters as well as where does physical infrastructure live? utility poles are owned by someone other than common people, and a trench transect for fibre is limited by property concerns...we need to develop a method of long hauling signals that wont be interfered with and will not interfere physically with anyone else...optical linkage works and has no palpable medium to be destroyed by hostile action. The bandwidth of a line of sight laser is very high, so high that it doesnt need to operate 24-7-364.25 of the year...if two or more LOS linked supernodes cache each other you win...if something gets in the way, point your LOS to a different LOS caching peer...
Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection
#34I've been wanting to get involved in this kind of thing for a while now. Shame they use Slack, and not an open platform like Matrix or IRC, though!
Also, riot.im Mattermost Zulip Wire Rocket.chat and more here: https://alternativeto.net/software/slack/
Riot.im is a Matrix.org client.
Mattermost is nice but it's not federated and I don't think it will catch on as a "public-facing" chatroom option. It's a nice solution inside an organizations that doesn't want to pay for Slack. I haven't used Rocket.chat but it looks similar along those lines. Wire just doesn't seem like the right solution.
Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection
#35A big problem with meshnet sofar is that it goes against the status quo, and it cut out the moneymakers and regulators, thus mesh nets have segment distances limited to ethernet and repeaters as well as where does physical infrastructure live? utility poles are owned by someone other than common people, and a trench transect for fibre is limited by property concerns...we need to develop a method of long hauling signa…
How robust is something like a laser in the face of weather interference, like rain or urban smog/haze?
Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection
#36Stuff like this make me long to live in NYC. Only city in the US with the density, technical expertise, and money for this kind of thing to happen.
I thought the same was true for the Bay Area, hence why I moved here. I was genuinely surprised to find Google Fiber isn't even available, let alone any mesh networks. In all other aspects of technical expertise though it's blowing my previous city, Houston, away. Companies open to candidates based on technical expertise alone (rather than throwing non-B.S. degrees straight into the garbage), lots of great meetups, l…
Dunno where you are in the Bay Area, but in SF I have Sonic which is synchronous gigabit for ~$40 a month.
It's not Google Fiber, but it's close.
Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection
#37A big problem with meshnet sofar is that it goes against the status quo, and it cut out the moneymakers and regulators, thus mesh nets have segment distances limited to ethernet and repeaters as well as where does physical infrastructure live? utility poles are owned by someone other than common people, and a trench transect for fibre is limited by property concerns...we need to develop a method of long hauling signa…
How robust is something like a laser in the face of weather interference, like rain or urban smog/haze?
Not very. In the (admittedly old) setup I've seen, the total speed would drop to 100s of kb/s when there was any fog.
Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection
#38Cool initiative based on positive ideals. From a practical perspective, NYC citizens have a number of good options for internet access; however, perhaps learnings from this community project can be brought to more needy areas outside the US.
Internet choice really comes down to what building you live in. A building might have exactly 1 ISP available, or there may be 3+. Always ask before renting if you can't afford to be saddled with DSL-only internet access.
Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection
#39I was participating in NYC Mesh for awhile, but eventually I had to unplug because I got notices from my ISP about copyright infringement and I didn't want my internet access to get shut off. So sad. I really want this effort to succeed.
Freifunk, a somewhat similar German project solves this by using a mesh VPN to tunnel traffic out.
Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection
#40I've been wanting to get involved in this kind of thing for a while now. Shame they use Slack, and not an open platform like Matrix or IRC, though!
Nitpicking about tool choices is not a useful contribution to a volunteer project starved for resources. There are better ways to contribute.