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NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

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Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

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This doesn't seem to actually be a mesh network.

Yes, it is, though the homepage doesn't seem to explain it well. You can connect to their "supernodes" which are the backbone, that connect to the Internet proper. You can also connect via other member nodes. So by my understanding of the colloquial term "mesh" for wifi, it is. I do take issue with their FAQ stating they're not an ISP. They are providing Internet access to the public. They are an ISP, even if their s…

Shout out to a fellow San Antonio local!

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

#22

I love the idea but how do you connect to the greater internet? What will happen when you get a request to say what user was running on a certain day talking to whatever, or handle NSLs?

From the article: "The network connects directly to the internet backbone, so we do not rely on an ISP." Their peering policy: https://nycmesh.net/peering/

Someone is always your upstream, or you have a port at a peering fabric (and anything not on-net at the peering meetup goes through a transit provider).

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is, though the homepage doesn't seem to explain it well. You can connect to their "supernodes" which are the backbone, that connect to the Internet proper. You can also connect via other member nodes. So by my understanding of the colloquial term "mesh" for wifi, it is. I do take issue with their FAQ stating they're not an ISP. They are providing Internet access to the public. They are an ISP, even if their s…

Shout out to a fellow San Antonio local!

Kai from Ultimate?

internet at cyberfoxfire com

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

#24
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: "The network connects directly to the internet backbone, so we do not rely on an ISP." Their peering policy: https://nycmesh.net/peering/

I don't understand what that means, "internet backbone?" Is that a physical location somewhere? I've read on the peering link, are they saying there's an "internet ethernet port" at 375 Pearl St, New York, NY that they plugged their whole mesh network into? Where's the ethernet cable go from there? I'm probably asking a bit too much here (how does internet work lol) but I don't understand how they've bypassed all ISP…

This Wikipedia article should answer these kind of basic questions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peering

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

#25
I was participating in NYC Mesh for awhile, but eventually I had to unplug because I got notices from my ISP about copyright infringement and I didn't want my internet access to get shut off. So sad. I really want this effort to succeed.

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

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post #19

Is there any way to connect to this from the other side of the Hudson?

Pringles can.

not sure why this was downvoted, a Cantenna [0] was originally created with a pringles can.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantenna

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

#28

I was participating in NYC Mesh for awhile, but eventually I had to unplug because I got notices from my ISP about copyright infringement and I didn't want my internet access to get shut off. So sad. I really want this effort to succeed.

Were you peering? I'm under the impression that they would not use an ISP connection for individuals. Thus, you would have no ISP account on which to receive copyright infringement notices.

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

#29

I've been wanting to get involved in this kind of thing for a while now. Shame they use Slack, and not an open platform like Matrix or IRC, though!

I do not like slack either.

that being said, get involved and get them in Matrix or IRC, not too difficult to enact change I think people could get in on it with appropriate leadership!

zulip looks interesting to me as well.

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: "The network connects directly to the internet backbone, so we do not rely on an ISP." Their peering policy: https://nycmesh.net/peering/

I don't understand what that means, "internet backbone?" Is that a physical location somewhere? I've read on the peering link, are they saying there's an "internet ethernet port" at 375 Pearl St, New York, NY that they plugged their whole mesh network into? Where's the ethernet cable go from there? I'm probably asking a bit too much here (how does internet work lol) but I don't understand how they've bypassed all ISP…

I work for a CDN, but am not a networking expert. I will try to answer as best I can:

Yes, it is a physical location. Often called 'an exchange', there is usually a building in major cities that most networks connect together at. You rent from the building owner, and they provide a 'drop' which is basically a cable you can connect to your core router in your part of the datacenter you are renting (your 'rack' or 'cage')

From that point, you set up BGP sessions with your 'peers', other networks you have agreements with. Sometimes those agreements are for 'transit' (which means you pay per bit sent across the wire, but you can send all your traffic that way) or they are peers you don't pay (you might have other agreements, like we only send this much traffic or that hte inbound and outbound traffic has to match)

According to that peering link from the above poster, these guys will peer with anyone. They basically want as many peers as possible, and are hoping those peers agree to route as much of the internet as possible.

The way BGP works is that each side of the BGP session tells the other 'i will accept and route traffic for these subnets', for example "i will accept packets destined to any IP address in the 1.2.3.240/24 space" The /24 is what is known as a CIDR, and is a way of writing "all the ips between 1.2.3.0 and 1.2.3.255", 256 IP addresses.

So if the core router on my side gets a packet from my network destined to 1.2.3.123, I could send that packet on to the peer who is advertising that they will accept packets destined to 1.2.3.240/24. You need to have a peer for every IP address to be fully connected to the internet. If you don't, you would normally pay for transit, which will route for all IPs.

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