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https://research.google.com/pubs/archive/46507.pdf
I heard they also provided samples of the cookies along with the recipes/writeup at NIPS.
Yup, they did. They handed them out at their booth.
Google Vizier: A Service for Black-Box Optimization
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Re: Google Vizier: A Service for Black-Box Optimization
#82Thanks for sharing.
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Are you talking about orange extract? or cayenne pepper? The post is here: https://ai.google/research/pubs/pub46507 and direct link to paper is here: https://storage.googleapis.com/pub-tools-public-publication-... And the recipe I found internally is "The Real California Cookie" in that paper: Bake at 163C (325◦ F) until brown: • 167 grams of all-purpose flour. • 245 grams of milk chocolate chips. • 0.60 tsp. baking…
What an odd combination of units. Here's a translation: • 5¼ oz. of all-purpose flour. • 7 oz. of milk chocolate chips. • scant ½ + ⅛ tsp. baking soda. • ½ tsp. salt. • ⅛ tsp. cayenne pepper. • 4½ oz. of sugar (31% medium brown, 69% white). • 1 oz. of egg. • 2¾ oz. of butter. • ⅛ tsp. orange extract. • ¾ tsp. vanilla extract. Or, equivalently: • 167 grams of all-purpose flour. • 245 grams of milk chocolate chips. • 2…
Can we get it to push out more useful output on how precise these measurements have to be to affect taste?
(say, as spectra)
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> in the authors' opinions, delicious Can there be/Is there an objective way to measure deliciousness? If not what can they really say?
> Cafe goers tasted the cookies and provided feedback via a survey. Survey results were aggregated and the results were sent back to Vizier. This, from the paper, is a great start on measuring deliciousness. But if you go to that effort, why not provide a benchmark? Such as the existing chocolate chip cookie recipe or the average scores from 10 random chocolate chip cookie recipes? As a reader, I might suspect that p…
This technique is known as anchoring and should be used alongside a descriptive scale when making subjective comparisons.
Re: Google Vizier: A Service for Black-Box Optimization
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
> in the authors' opinions, delicious Can there be/Is there an objective way to measure deliciousness? If not what can they really say?
> Cafe goers tasted the cookies and provided feedback via a survey. Survey results were aggregated and the results were sent back to Vizier. This, from the paper, is a great start on measuring deliciousness. But if you go to that effort, why not provide a benchmark? Such as the existing chocolate chip cookie recipe or the average scores from 10 random chocolate chip cookie recipes? As a reader, I might suspect that p…
But it really is not a very great start on measuring deliciousness.
Like said elsewhere in this thread, if after a few batches the algorithm optimizes into a local maximum gully that some people don't like, but others really love, then the ones that dislike it will stop taking the cookies and thus stop rating them.
But does that mean they're less delicious? Nobody knows! Because certainly the first and foremost great start on measuring deliciousness, is doing research on what is deliciousness, and are there any good methods to measure deliciousness that can be compared with other literature and research, and if that fails, either measure something else or defend why you chose a target metric that can't be measured properly. The latter being valuable if your way of measuring is novel and you think it's better than what has been used so far in the field. But you gotta provide a good argument for that, and the method used in this experiment wasn't particularly novel, simply flawed.
I mean you can be all giggly-googly about it, but food science is a thing.
Re: Google Vizier: A Service for Black-Box Optimization
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Cafe goers tasted the cookies and provided feedback via a survey. Survey results were aggregated and the results were sent back to Vizier. This, from the paper, is a great start on measuring deliciousness. But if you go to that effort, why not provide a benchmark? Such as the existing chocolate chip cookie recipe or the average scores from 10 random chocolate chip cookie recipes? As a reader, I might suspect that p…
This technique is known as anchoring and should be used alongside a descriptive scale when making subjective comparisons.
Yep. There's a lot of pre-existing science that this research ignored ...