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Re: We are rewriting CodeMirror

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Post by tnolet » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:45 PM UTC

marijn wrote: post #2

Oh hi, I'm Marijn, one of the maintainers. It doesn't look like this submission is going anywhere, but I'll keep an eye on the comments and respond to questions.

Hi Marijn, I rely on CodeMirror for a SaaS I run (from Berlin). I will donate what I can. Just one question and please don’t take this the wrong way, but can you provide an insight into how you got to 80k as the target amount?

Re: We are rewriting CodeMirror

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Post by skybrian » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:45 PM UTC

marijn wrote: post #2

Oh hi, I'm Marijn, one of the maintainers. It doesn't look like this submission is going anywhere, but I'll keep an eye on the comments and respond to questions.

I'm curious if you learned anything from studying monoco-editor from VS Code? Do they use a different approach?

Re: We are rewriting CodeMirror

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Post by GoToRO » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:47 PM UTC

Can it edit the files on a server directly or you have to do that part yourself? Or are there any projects that I could self-host and let me edit the files on a server folder? Thanks.

Re: We are rewriting CodeMirror

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Post by ddoolin » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:49 PM UTC

Just donated what I can for now. I've used CM in a number of projects over the years and it's quite enjoyable once you get used to it, the feature set is comparatively large, and the defaults are quite good. If you're willing to go the extra mile, the customization runs deep. Good luck on v6 guys, looking forward to it.

Re: We are rewriting CodeMirror

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Post by k_sh » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:54 PM UTC

dyarosla wrote: post #8

marijn wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's underspecified and very hard to implement (and hence, not implemented all that well), but if you know the pitfalls (only some DOM/style structures are well supported, cursors vanish in some circumstances, etc) and avoid them, and implement non-trivial editing commands yourself (because you can't really rely on the browser to get them right), contentEditable is a functional way to represent editable content in th…

‘Because you can't really rely on the browser to get them right‘- welcome to the state of the web today- inconsistencies everywhere and no fix in sight :( Now you either recreate things yourself or offload the consistency patching to a framework to (hopefully) correctly handle.

Well, this has been the case with the web for a while. See: jQuery.

Re: We are rewriting CodeMirror

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Post by undershirt » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:55 PM UTC

I didn't know what beautiful JS code looked like until I started reading CodeMirror while debugging an issue. After reading through Atom's code, I was really surprised how simple CodeMirror's code was—with minimal abstractions and flat functions.

(donated, of course)

Re: We are rewriting CodeMirror

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Post by keithwhor » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:56 PM UTC

This is awesome! We were thinking about using CodeMirror for our in-browser editor, code.xyz [1] but wrote our own rendering engine from scratch in order to make sure we could distribute a lightweight package. If CodeMirror 6 had existed at the time we may have used it. We managed to get the total size to a fraction of that of CodeMirror.

If the community is interested we can definitely talk about open sourcing our editor, or if the CM team is interested in how we implemented some aspects I'm not opposed to sharing details. I can be reached at keith [at] stdlib [dot] com. We're a team of three engineers in SF, I'm responsible for the majority of the rendering engine implementation. :)

(If anybody is interested in my previous contributions to open source, they're available on my GitHub [2].)

[1] https://code.xyz

[2] https://github.com/keithwhor

Re: We are rewriting CodeMirror

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Post by tokyodude » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 7:07 PM UTC

I have to ask what is probably a dumb question.

Why? I used CodeMirror on three projects. It was great. Now I use Monaco aka Visual Studio Code. What would CodeMirror offer ? With Monaco I get all the lastest feature of VSCode . Current versions of Monaco include Intellisense etc..

I'm honestly curious both what CodeMirror will offer and why even try to compete. Though I'm guessing the answer to the first question answers the second

Re: We are rewriting CodeMirror

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Post by rglover » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 7:18 PM UTC

Just happily backed this :) CodeMirror helped me TONS a few years back while writing a custom CMS for editorial work. Best of luck, Marijn—thanks for everything you've done so far.

Re: We are rewriting CodeMirror

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Post by msoad » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 7:19 PM UTC

tokyodude wrote: post #18

I have to ask what is probably a dumb question. Why? I used CodeMirror on three projects. It was great. Now I use Monaco aka Visual Studio Code. What would CodeMirror offer ? With Monaco I get all the lastest feature of VSCode . Current versions of Monaco include Intellisense etc.. I'm honestly curious both what CodeMirror will offer and why even try to compete. Though I'm guessing the answer to the first question an…

I welcome competition in this space but two guys competing with Microsoft seems like impossible to win. Hopefully they get the funding and we can see what they can build