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Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by rhinoceraptor » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:03 PM UTC

pbnjay wrote: post #2

Sadly not available for my area, but I was happy to see the note about prescriptions. Thats probably one of my biggest complaints about the Rift and others is that it gets pretty uncomfortable with glasses on.

I had to buy a pair of glasses specifically to fit under my rift, I bought the smallest kids glasses I could find that I could get with my prescription. They look ridiculous, but that's ok. It was much cheaper than buying prescription inserts, I would have to special order them since my prescription is fairly high.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by blobbers » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:08 PM UTC

kadendogthing wrote: post #22

Are they planning a sort of technical deep dive/developer Q&A? The page reeks of marketing and is extremely lax on any kind of substantial details that would make me want to purchase one of these things. I've enjoyed my vive and rift since they both came out, and I'd love to try this gadget out. It doesn't appear to be worth the cost at face value though.

It isn't even good marketing - these demo pages are terrible!

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by nickthemagicman » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:08 PM UTC

Was the part at the end about the Airbender and zuko a dig at journalists?

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by vijaybritto » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:12 PM UTC

Is it just AR? Or is it something different? All the hype for so many years showed console level graphics in the ads but the real videos show low quality android level graphics.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by adrian_mrd » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:40 PM UTC

qeternity wrote: post #8

smaili wrote: post #5

> We created a new kind of computer so we built a whole new operating system. One that gets the most out of our spatial computing system by working in tandem with digital lightfields and the brain. Lumin OS is fully optimized for environment recognition, persistent digital content and the performance to power high-fidelity visual experiences that turns your wildest imagination into even wilder realities. Super curiou…

These days "OS" is basically marketing speak for SDK on top of a Linux kernel.

So true.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by jazzyjackson » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:41 PM UTC

vijaybritto wrote: post #44

Is it just AR? Or is it something different? All the hype for so many years showed console level graphics in the ads but the real videos show low quality android level graphics.

I haven't seen anything that differentiates it from Hololens at this point. Their 'waveguide' tech apparently allows it to create graphics in focus at 0.5m and also at 5m, but having items become out of focus with the rest of the world, never seemed like a hindrance to me since if I wasn't focused on it, well, I wasn't paying attention.

They have eye-tracking tech but aren't using it yet.

The Palmer piece (Magic Leap is a Tragic Heap) breaks down that this is a Tegra X2 running an Android OS.

The console level graphics were most assuredly vaporware.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by fest » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:44 PM UTC

a-dub wrote: post #35

dna_polymerase wrote: post #15

I remember the first articles about this super secretive start up from not the Silicon Valley, that did some super amazing stuff, loads of VC-cash and all that. This thing now looks really underwhelming. The pages full of marketing talk to present basically another (better, maybe) HoloLens.

The funny thing is, that was once the Segway.... which was something of a huge costly joke when it was finally unveiled. Fast forward 5-10 years (I guess cheaper batteries helped?) and it seems that these fancy electric single wheel with a fancy active control system to balance on one axis are actually starting to do pretty well...

Doing so well, that one of the companies faced by a lawsuit from Segway just bought them (Xiaomi now owns Segway).

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by jazzyjackson » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:46 PM UTC

pbnjay wrote: post #2

Sadly not available for my area, but I was happy to see the note about prescriptions. Thats probably one of my biggest complaints about the Rift and others is that it gets pretty uncomfortable with glasses on.

I was very pleasantly surprised to find Hololens able to accommodate my glasses. Agreed wrt Rift.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by GW150914 » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:48 PM UTC

newfocogi wrote: post #21

What happened to Magic Leap's advanced photonic lightfield chip? I thought the thing that made Magic Leap special was their light field tech, but this just appears to be stacked wave guides, which other than having 2 focal planes seems to be the same tech as Hololens.

It never existed and was never going to exist, except as marketing and investor hype. Same with their fiber-scanning display, and everything else that doesn’t add up to, “like a Hololens, but with a much dimmer view of the real world and more useless patents.”

https://www.kguttag.com/2018/08/27/palmer-luckey-founder-of-...

Quote from Palmer Luckey in that blog: “The ML1 is a not a “lightfield projector” or display by any broadly accepted definition, and as a Bi-Focal Display, only solves vergence-accommodation conflict in contrived demos that put all UI and environmental elements at one of two focus planes. Mismatch occurs at all other depths. In much the same way, a broken clock displays the correct time twice a day.“

Downvotes aside, are there any actual counterpoints to be offered to this critique? It is like a Hololens, it does have a dimmer view, it doesn’t match their many promises and early patents, it is slightly cheaper and has a slightly better FOV than HL, but it’s also wired to their Lightpack. All in all I’d say the investors should be carrying pitchforks and torches.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by 40acres » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 6:55 PM UTC

It's interesting reading startup literature regarding MVPs and iterating quickly and notice that almost none of it applies to the AR/VR space. Between Magic Leap and Ubiquty6 it seems like the most interesting players in AR are more notable for their funding rounds than for anything else. Magic Leap is rolling out their own hardware so it's more understandable but its really hard to justify spending $2K on a first generation AR device.

If I had to put money on it I think Magic Leap will go the way of General Magic, lots of cool tech and ideas in a product that was ultimately too expensive and too late to drive the company forward but will be looked upon as a great innovator once another company uses their inventions and packages it in a low cost, user friendly interface.