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Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by zaarn »

bshimmin wrote: post #137
zaarn wrote: post #100

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It wasn't putting the IP in the log but in the database and along the username and session data, there is an open ticket about that behavior too. Since I'm in Europe/Germany, this kind of data storage would have been a no-go even before the GDPR.

It sounds like you had to remove the Trackable module from Devise - which would indeed be one line of code to change in a Rails app, but quite hard to figure out if you didn't know. However, Devise is a third party gem which is often used with Rails but isn't actually a part of Rails, so can you really blame Rails for this? (And, unless it's for a very specific string, is grepping a codebase that you have no understa…

I blame the coding practises of the rails devs, not the gem itself.

Grepping can be a successful strategy, esp. when you know what you are looking for and you can search the database column in the code

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

dhnsmakala wrote: post #10

Man these language debates are so irrelevant when you're talking about web apps. I honestly couldn't give a shit what I use, it takes like 2 weeks max to adjust to a new framework/language. Most people I know and work with feel similarly...and it's not some amateur speaking here.

If you say you can pick up Java/Spring/Angular in 2 weeks... Sorry; I just don't believe you.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by fsloth »

sjwright wrote: post #122
fsloth wrote: post #35

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"C++ in 2018? SURE (You masochist)" I know this is tongue in cheek, but if one is doing anything related to real time graphics programming I'm not aware of any good alternatives.

Jai? (Obviously not yet a good alternative, but worth being aware of in case it perfectly suits your project...) https://inductive.no/jai/

Any language with a FFI (i.e. ~all of them) can be used to interface with DLL:s with a C interface. That was really not the point...

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by ryanbrunner »

wonnage wrote: post #34
whalesalad wrote: post #11

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This viewpoint is so far off from reality that I don’t even know how to respond. GitHub, Airbnb, Shopify, Indiegogo, Kickstarter, Urban Dictionary... the list goes on and on and on. Having the hardline opinion that Ruby or rails is slow is plain ol’ ignorance. You can build highly performant apps in Ruby and Rails, you just need to know what to optimize. The same applies to any other language or platform. Facebook is…

Pretty much no Rails app at these large companies can even do something as basic as concurrent network requests. This is an area Ruby the language is weak in, and it's extremely difficult to graft on something like concurrent-ruby to a large existing codebase that assumes all requests are sequential... Also, in the past the multithreading/concurrency story around ActiveRecord has been "it probably works, might leak c…

> The dirty secret at large companies is that the majority of the codebase sucks and is maintained by a legion of new grads who are doing their best to ship code before deadlines.

Probably fair, but certainly not unique to large companies using Rails.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by agconti »

sho wrote: post #9

Of course it is. The question is kind of silly. For basically any startup, my advice would be: unless and until you can credibly explain a genuine reason why you can't use Rails - use Rails. I'm not some crazy fanboy but until someone can actually name a seriously competitive, batteries-included, all-in-one framework* which delivers everything, or even most of, what Rails does - it is very relevant and you ignore it…

Django fits this bill.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by pjmlp »

golergka wrote: post #123
pjmlp wrote: post #63

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C# is slowly getting there thanks to Unity efforts with HPC# and Microsoft's improvements on SIMD support, stack allocation and slices. Then on the browser you are stuck with GLSL 3.0 shaders, or any JS library that generates them on the fly. But yeah for the layer that actually talks to the metal, it is still going to be C++ for many years, specially thanks to the ongoing language improvements since C++11 revision.…

I'm a fulltime Unity lead developer and I love C# as a business logic (or game logic) language, but it becomes quite ugly for hot code that is perfomance-critical. Once you get thousands of objects that you have to process every frame, you have to throw the usual C# object-oriented style and things like Linq (and I'm a fan of Linq!) out of the window and write code that reads like C. And when you get to object pools,…

No one said that one needs to use LINQ with C# all the time.

Likewise no one is using C++ with MI and 9 level deep hierarchies for game engines anymore.

C++ is one of my toolbox languages, which I know since C++ARM days, yet I am also open minded that it shouldn't be the only way.

I am old enough to remember when C, Modula-2, Basic and Turbo Pascal, AMOS were the "Unity" of MS-DOS/Amiga, because for this kind of tasks there's nothing better than Assembly and everyone had a copy of Zen of Assembly Language.

Then the speech was updated to there's nothing better than C when compilers improved, and it took PS 2 with its C++ SDK to eventually force game devs to grudgingly accept C++.

Which now reigns on all things GPGPU, but it doesn't mean we should be happy with just one language.

And even though it is one of my favorite ones, I dislike the lack of modules (maybe C++23 with luck) and the copy-paste compatibility with C that endangers the software I use written with it, because on many teams static analyzers and guidelines are foreign words.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by sheeshkebab »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #142
dhnsmakala wrote: post #10

Man these language debates are so irrelevant when you're talking about web apps. I honestly couldn't give a shit what I use, it takes like 2 weeks max to adjust to a new framework/language. Most people I know and work with feel similarly...and it's not some amateur speaking here.

If you say you can pick up Java/Spring/Angular in 2 weeks... Sorry; I just don't believe you.

For a recent developer - no, it’s impossible. For anyone who wrote code for 10+ years, picking up a new language and framework is typically piece of cake (I’d say 80 hours is more than enough).

Complexity comes from learning a new domain - a web developer can’t learn mobile, game engine, or HFT development in two weeks, but that doesn’t have to to do with languages or frameworks.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by bshimmin »

zaarn wrote: post #141
bshimmin wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you had to remove the Trackable module from Devise - which would indeed be one line of code to change in a Rails app, but quite hard to figure out if you didn't know. However, Devise is a third party gem which is often used with Rails but isn't actually a part of Rails, so can you really blame Rails for this? (And, unless it's for a very specific string, is grepping a codebase that you have no understa…

I blame the coding practises of the rails devs, not the gem itself. Grepping can be a successful strategy, esp. when you know what you are looking for and you can search the database column in the code

I can't in all honesty understand why you wouldn't just Google "rails login current_sign_in_ip", the top three hits for which would probably all put you on the right track. I would say grepping through the code of third-party libraries would be something I'd do only in desperation when working in an unfamiliar codebase. But hey, each to their own!

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by sureaboutthis »

fergie wrote: post #131

Rails really nailed the problems of web development as it was 10 years ago by (rightly) pointing out that 97.2% of web projects were all about making an application server talk nicely to a relational database and then generating a front end that reflected the data model and that had javascript that Just Worked (everywhere). Web dev is in a different place now. Developers don't generally install and maintain applicati…

> ...jQuery, which in turn was supplanted by vanilla js actually becoming useful.

jQuery is written in vanilla js so vanilla js can do anything jQuery can. I'm always irritated when people claim that vanilla js can't do something X can do.

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