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Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by anon1253 »

LifeQuestioner wrote: post #54
danvasquez29 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as an early riser myself, what bothers me about this is that I personally feel like I'm only talking about because someone else is making a big deal out of it. I don't think I go out of my way to bring the topic up, but I'm constantly getting people saying things like "omg I saw when you sent that email/made that commit/whatever, do you ever sleep", and then I gotta say something like "well I was up at 5 so I knocked…

I really wish I could sleep by 2am. It would make life possible. My natural sleep pattern is 5am-12. I've literally spent the last decade trying to solve it. Until, I gave up.

I'm the same, but I've found a life hack: work remotely for a company in the US while in the EU ... then it lines up better!

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

Tangentially related, I am regularly waken up by garbage trucks at ~2am and ~4:30am, and then sometimes again at ~6am. (I live in San Francisco).

It's becoming unbearable. Unfortunately there are a couple of commercial activities nearby, and my understanding is that there's no way to force these trucks to come at a more decent time.

Any of you have any idea on how to fix this? Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but not sleeping well for months is something that deeply affects your well being...

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by dragonwriter »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #62

Tangentially related, I am regularly waken up by garbage trucks at ~2am and ~4:30am, and then sometimes again at ~6am. (I live in San Francisco). It's becoming unbearable. Unfortunately there are a couple of commercial activities nearby, and my understanding is that there's no way to force these trucks to come at a more decent time. Any of you have any idea on how to fix this? Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but no…

> Any of you have any idea on how to fix this?

Move out of an urban environment. Or consider investing in soundproofing?

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by mcguire »

amelius wrote: post #27
mmaunder wrote: post #22

What really bugs me is the self-righteousness of the early riser. There's definitely some kind of power dynamic going on. Perhaps the joke should be: How do you know if someone gets up at 5am? Because they tell you.

There's also an asymmetry: the person who works late can't rub it in, because the early person has already left the building.

"Why can't you be here at 8:00am?"

"But I was the only person here at 7:00pm when the server fell over."

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by rootusrootus »

mmaunder wrote: post #22

What really bugs me is the self-righteousness of the early riser. There's definitely some kind of power dynamic going on. Perhaps the joke should be: How do you know if someone gets up at 5am? Because they tell you.

You sound like the guy at my office who gives me shit for leaving at 2:30PM. Maybe to him my exasperation sounds like self-righteousness. I never can tell why some people are so interested in my sleep schedule.

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by 5partan »

First of all, I wouldn’t consider someone who sleeps from 2a.m. To 10a.m. A night owl, everything before noon is stil morning for me :) And why do those articles never mention daylight saving time or the fact that that there is a 3 hour difference between sunrise in winter and summer? I’m pretty sure DNA doesn’t care about fixed time schedules but that it rather synchronizes to natural sun and moon light. I’m convinced that a shifting sleep cicle (compared to a fixed time, but fixed to the sun or moon or some overlap) is the most natural and healthiest one, that’s also how our ancestors took shifts, D.S.P.S. just being a fancy new name, while in reality nature selects a few people being in tune with moon light, another few with sun light and some being in between, or maybe even that changes during the year, so that there are fair overlaps for everyone while watching out for those sabre tooth tigers when others sleep, those tigers don’t attack just at night ;)

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by smadsen »

pg_bot wrote: post #25

I'm the only person I've encountered that naturally runs on a 25 hour clock. I get the same amount of sleep per day (~8 hours) but I follow it with 17 hours of wakefulness so my clock moves forward by an hour every day. To my knowledge there are no adverse health effects, but it's certainly out of the ordinary. I often wonder if more people are like me since sleep problems are so common, but they cannot follow their…

You're not the only one. When I was younger (20s), I used to say I thought days should be about 25 hours long. Now that I'm in my 40s with kids, 24 hours seems plenty.

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by Retric »

adrianmonk wrote: post #60
mmaunder wrote: post #22

What really bugs me is the self-righteousness of the early riser. There's definitely some kind of power dynamic going on. Perhaps the joke should be: How do you know if someone gets up at 5am? Because they tell you.

When it comes to work (or other morning activities), I think there are actually two aspects to this that often get confused. One is what you're talking about: the way people regard waking up early as virtuous. The other is that, how early or late you arrive to an event sends signals about your attitude toward the event. Or at least it is interpreted that way. For example, if you are very excited about seeing a partic…

Showing up a little late to a party is more courteous as the hosts have just a little more time to set things up without needing to entertain people.

Showing up early on the other hand often put's people who are not ready on the spot. If you regularly host parties who will get annoyed at people that show up 30+ minutes early unless they are willing to help.

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by bena »

lev99 wrote: post #18
bena wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also get a little eye-rolly when they went into the whole "we see things differently" bit. The whole "I'm so special and unique thing" just grates after a while. If you're like roughly 30% of the population, that whole "seeing things differently" means you see things like 30% of the population. Which ain't too shabby.

Being in a 30% doesn't make you an oddball, maverick, or outsider. (Words used to describe 'nightowls' in this article)

That was the point I was trying to make.

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by rootusrootus »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #62

Tangentially related, I am regularly waken up by garbage trucks at ~2am and ~4:30am, and then sometimes again at ~6am. (I live in San Francisco). It's becoming unbearable. Unfortunately there are a couple of commercial activities nearby, and my understanding is that there's no way to force these trucks to come at a more decent time. Any of you have any idea on how to fix this? Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but no…

Marpac Sound Machine and perhaps add some heavy, heavy curtains over the windows. Other than that, I suspect moving somewhere with better soundproofing or away from commercial traffic may be the only viable alternative.
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