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Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by luminiferous »

wycy wrote: post #8
acconrad wrote: post #6

This feels like this article was written in response to this article from Slate Star Codex since this also mentions DSPS: http://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/10/melatonin-much-more-tha... > I have it fairly bad. My body naturally wants to go to bed around 2 a.m. and rise around 10 a.m. That was my cycle as well and I wouldn't describe it as "fairly bad" it's definitely later but not egregious. The SSC article recommend…

Did you need to use melatonin only for those few weeks that it took to adjust your schedule, or have you had to continue using it indefinitely to maintain this schedule?

Not OP but I read the Slate Star Codex article, and buried about halfway down was:

"These don’t “cure” the condition permanently; you have to keep doing them every day, or your circadian rhythm will snap back to its natural pattern."

So it looks like you have to take the melatonin on a continuous basis.

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by whorleater »

gnicholas wrote: post #28
mmaunder wrote: post #22

What really bugs me is the self-righteousness of the early riser. There's definitely some kind of power dynamic going on. Perhaps the joke should be: How do you know if someone gets up at 5am? Because they tell you.

There are, of course, some early risers who don't do this. But yeah, the ones who do are pretty unbearable. I had a neighbor who boasted of how she woke up at 4:45a to work out. Of course, she fell asleep in front of the TV at 8p...

>I had a neighbor who boasted of how she woke up at 4:45a to work out. Of course, she fell asleep in front of the TV at 8p...

Being sanctimonious is annoying, but that sounds like she's getting the right amount of sleep

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by LifeQuestioner »

danvasquez29 wrote: post #37
mmaunder wrote: post #22

What really bugs me is the self-righteousness of the early riser. There's definitely some kind of power dynamic going on. Perhaps the joke should be: How do you know if someone gets up at 5am? Because they tell you.

as an early riser myself, what bothers me about this is that I personally feel like I'm only talking about because someone else is making a big deal out of it. I don't think I go out of my way to bring the topic up, but I'm constantly getting people saying things like "omg I saw when you sent that email/made that commit/whatever, do you ever sleep", and then I gotta say something like "well I was up at 5 so I knocked…

I really wish I could sleep by 2am. It would make life possible. My natural sleep pattern is 5am-12. I've literally spent the last decade trying to solve it. Until, I gave up.

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by learnstats2 »

danvasquez29 wrote: post #37
mmaunder wrote: post #22

What really bugs me is the self-righteousness of the early riser. There's definitely some kind of power dynamic going on. Perhaps the joke should be: How do you know if someone gets up at 5am? Because they tell you.

as an early riser myself, what bothers me about this is that I personally feel like I'm only talking about because someone else is making a big deal out of it. I don't think I go out of my way to bring the topic up, but I'm constantly getting people saying things like "omg I saw when you sent that email/made that commit/whatever, do you ever sleep", and then I gotta say something like "well I was up at 5 so I knocked…

It should be a bigger deal to late-risers because, you know, a typical schedule of work and socialising isn't compatible with rising late. This is particularly galling because it appears that late-risers are not uncommon.

Early risers speaking on the issue don't have anything interesting to say.

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by internet_user »

acconrad wrote: post #6

This feels like this article was written in response to this article from Slate Star Codex since this also mentions DSPS: http://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/10/melatonin-much-more-tha... > I have it fairly bad. My body naturally wants to go to bed around 2 a.m. and rise around 10 a.m. That was my cycle as well and I wouldn't describe it as "fairly bad" it's definitely later but not egregious. The SSC article recommend…

Please share more detail. do you use it chronically? why 0.3mg?

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by danvasquez29 »

LifeQuestioner wrote: post #54
danvasquez29 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as an early riser myself, what bothers me about this is that I personally feel like I'm only talking about because someone else is making a big deal out of it. I don't think I go out of my way to bring the topic up, but I'm constantly getting people saying things like "omg I saw when you sent that email/made that commit/whatever, do you ever sleep", and then I gotta say something like "well I was up at 5 so I knocked…

I really wish I could sleep by 2am. It would make life possible. My natural sleep pattern is 5am-12. I've literally spent the last decade trying to solve it. Until, I gave up.

it's been a conscious effort on my part and I'm still very susceptible to falling off the wagon for a week at a time. I don't think it's very natural for people tbh. I was always a late worker and still kind of am when the shit really hits the fan, but I am a believer that when I have to put in the extra hours, I'm usually more efficient in the morning that late at night. That motivates me to keep trying.

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by nanomonkey »

pg_bot wrote: post #25

I'm the only person I've encountered that naturally runs on a 25 hour clock. I get the same amount of sleep per day (~8 hours) but I follow it with 17 hours of wakefulness so my clock moves forward by an hour every day. To my knowledge there are no adverse health effects, but it's certainly out of the ordinary. I often wonder if more people are like me since sleep problems are so common, but they cannot follow their…

If it's any consolation, my roommate in college had the exact same 25 hour circadian rhythm. At the time it was frustrating to me because the hours that he would sleep were more often than not out of phase with my own, but it was interesting none the less.

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by modeless »

mmaunder wrote: post #22

What really bugs me is the self-righteousness of the early riser. There's definitely some kind of power dynamic going on. Perhaps the joke should be: How do you know if someone gets up at 5am? Because they tell you.

How do you know if someone gets up at 5 AM? They schedule all their meetings at 7 AM and think they're doing you a favor by imposing their schedule on you. See also: public school start times.

Re: Maybe Your Sleep Problem Isn’t a Problem

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Post by adrianmonk »

mmaunder wrote: post #22

What really bugs me is the self-righteousness of the early riser. There's definitely some kind of power dynamic going on. Perhaps the joke should be: How do you know if someone gets up at 5am? Because they tell you.

When it comes to work (or other morning activities), I think there are actually two aspects to this that often get confused.

One is what you're talking about: the way people regard waking up early as virtuous.

The other is that, how early or late you arrive to an event sends signals about your attitude toward the event. Or at least it is interpreted that way.

For example, if you are very excited about seeing a particular movie or a concert and it has general admission, you will arrive early to get a good seat. Someone who is ambivalent about the movie will not make such an effort. Therefore, arrival time correlates with enthusiasm, and people know this, and they reason backwards.

There's also probably some stuff behind why people don't want to be the first to arrive at a party. Arriving fashionably late can show you only want to experience the best part of the party, which in a sense is a power move indicating you think you are more important than some of the other guests.

I think people sometimes have these perceptions in the business world too. If you have a later schedule, they're not sure if it's because you are aligning your work schedule with your productive hours or because you'd rather not be there. Ideally, people wouldn't make assumptions, but it happens.

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