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Google Vizier: A Service for Black-Box Optimization

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Re: Google Vizier: A Service for Black-Box Optimization

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Post by kevlar1818 »

Okay, this is awesome (and easy to miss with a just a cursory skim):

"5.3 Delicious Chocolate Chip Cookies

Vizier is also used to solve complex black–box optimization problems arising from physical design or logistical problems. Here we present an example that highlights some additional capabilities of the system: finding the most delicious chocolate chip cookie recipe from a parameterized space of recipes... We provided recipes to contractors responsible for providing desserts for Google employees. The head chefs among the contractors were given discretion to alter parameters if (and only if) they strongly believed it to be necessary, but would carefully note what alterations were made. The cookies were baked, and distributed to the cafes for taste–testing. Cafe goers tasted the cookies and provided feedback via a survey. Survey results were aggregated and the results were sent back to Vizier. The “machine learning cookies” were provided about twice a week over several weeks...

The cookies improved significantly over time; later rounds were extremely well-rated and, in the authors’ opinions, delicious."

Re: Google Vizier: A Service for Black-Box Optimization

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Post by rnjs »

kevlar1818 wrote: post #2

Okay, this is awesome (and easy to miss with a just a cursory skim): "5.3 Delicious Chocolate Chip Cookies Vizier is also used to solve complex black–box optimization problems arising from physical design or logistical problems. Here we present an example that highlights some additional capabilities of the system: finding the most delicious chocolate chip cookie recipe from a parameterized space of recipes... We prov…

I noted this section when I read the paper as well...

This is cute, but "in the authors' opinions, delicious" does not contribute anything to scientific research. Yes, you can use black-box optimization for cookie recipes. No, you should not make any sort of performance claims nor talk about "significant" improvement unless you back it up.

Re: Google Vizier: A Service for Black-Box Optimization

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Post by marksomnian »

rnjs wrote: post #4
kevlar1818 wrote: post #2

Okay, this is awesome (and easy to miss with a just a cursory skim): "5.3 Delicious Chocolate Chip Cookies Vizier is also used to solve complex black–box optimization problems arising from physical design or logistical problems. Here we present an example that highlights some additional capabilities of the system: finding the most delicious chocolate chip cookie recipe from a parameterized space of recipes... We prov…

I noted this section when I read the paper as well... This is cute, but "in the authors' opinions, delicious" does not contribute anything to scientific research. Yes, you can use black-box optimization for cookie recipes. No, you should not make any sort of performance claims nor talk about "significant" improvement unless you back it up.

That's the authors' sense of humour. The more relevant part for science is "extremely well-rated".

Re: Google Vizier: A Service for Black-Box Optimization

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Post by ec109685 »

rnjs wrote: post #4
kevlar1818 wrote: post #2

Okay, this is awesome (and easy to miss with a just a cursory skim): "5.3 Delicious Chocolate Chip Cookies Vizier is also used to solve complex black–box optimization problems arising from physical design or logistical problems. Here we present an example that highlights some additional capabilities of the system: finding the most delicious chocolate chip cookie recipe from a parameterized space of recipes... We prov…

I noted this section when I read the paper as well... This is cute, but "in the authors' opinions, delicious" does not contribute anything to scientific research. Yes, you can use black-box optimization for cookie recipes. No, you should not make any sort of performance claims nor talk about "significant" improvement unless you back it up.

Their back up: later rounds were extremely well-rated

Re: Google Vizier: A Service for Black-Box Optimization

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Post by pm90 »

rnjs wrote: post #4
kevlar1818 wrote: post #2

Okay, this is awesome (and easy to miss with a just a cursory skim): "5.3 Delicious Chocolate Chip Cookies Vizier is also used to solve complex black–box optimization problems arising from physical design or logistical problems. Here we present an example that highlights some additional capabilities of the system: finding the most delicious chocolate chip cookie recipe from a parameterized space of recipes... We prov…

I noted this section when I read the paper as well... This is cute, but "in the authors' opinions, delicious" does not contribute anything to scientific research. Yes, you can use black-box optimization for cookie recipes. No, you should not make any sort of performance claims nor talk about "significant" improvement unless you back it up.

> in the authors' opinions, delicious

Can there be/Is there an objective way to measure deliciousness? If not what can they really say?

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