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Anki: Memorization with Spaced Learning

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Re: Anki: Memorization with Spaced Learning

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post #108

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Right, but zero? I can’t study Japanese words at the moment without interfering with German.

If you're doing it mostly for fun with a side benefit of recognizing a few characters here and there, go for it. Just know you're choosing to learn in a way that's not really recommended for most. If your learning goals are mostly focused around reading, it's helpful a bit. If you want to actually understand and use the language, hiragana, katakana, vocab and grammar have much higher utility.

This is correct.

My most complete advice would be to focus exclusively on the language you’re learning and don’t futz around with half-measures, but who am I to tell you what to study? If you’ve gotta satisfy the itch, then sure, you might learn something.

Re: Anki: Memorization with Spaced Learning

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I'm always a little confused when I see articles on the internet extolling the virtues of spaced repetition learning. I don't doubt that it's a good way to memorize things; it's just that I have never really found that memorization was ever an obstacle to my ability to learn something. I've always found that retention proceeds from understanding . Time spent flicking through flashcards for vocabulary or formulae or c…

> poor substitute for time spent reading material that uses the vocabulary You can't effectively read material without having enough vocabulary to cover at least some 80% of it. My most recent language learning experience is Japanese. The difference between trying to read before cramming on an ~8000 word vocabulary and after is night and day. And the comparison basis here is not reading hardcopy, but electronic text…

I'd like to add that this concept is not just for natural languages. Say you read your first Shakespeare or Nietzsche or any book where your wish to learn and understand the content trumps the plot. Cramming the perspective (historical, philosophical, ...) should help massively in the pursuit of knowledge.

Should, because I've never tried it, but wish I could. Something like Kindle + Audible + augmented learning would be my dream. I always get my additional info from deep-diving Wiki and the internet, but that's obviously not as deep as a good set of notes, or a teacher should get me. There's an undeveloped space between the layman and the scholarly level.

In high school there was this old-school paper database resource I really liked that gave you this perspective for all the great novels. It didn't help you directly with your book report, but it helped find the words, themes and directions to report about. I even remember one: the 'vatersuche'-motif, which is a literary concept where a young man is looking for knowledge about his father via his actions that make the plot. It's so obscure, I can't even google it right now. That, or I don't know the proper translation, which proves the point.

Re: Anki: Memorization with Spaced Learning

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post #57

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I want to learn Spanish. I have a basic vocabulary and understanding. What’s the fastest way forward in your opinion?

"Fluent Forever" has a suggestion of putting a picture (from, say, google image search) on the front of the card, and the foreign word as the answer. That way you test yourself by producing the correct word without translating it from language 1 to language 2. Example for Spanish: Front: picture of a "gatito" from google image search. Back: gatito The word "kitten" is not used at all. No translations! The reason you…

That only works for simple words. For example when I google for "Zufriedenheit" (satisfaction), I get a picture of a red boat.

Re: Anki: Memorization with Spaced Learning

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Anki has become the de-facto standard for memorizing the large swaths of information required during medical school. Not everyone uses it, but pretty much everyone that does and sticks to it sees impressive results.

> Not everyone uses it, but pretty much everyone that does and sticks to it sees impressive results. This is another way of say "everyone that it works for gets good results"

Yeah that's a fair assessment, and I agree that it's not for everyone. But I do feel strongly that everyone should at least give it a shot.

Re: Anki: Memorization with Spaced Learning

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I'm always a little confused when I see articles on the internet extolling the virtues of spaced repetition learning. I don't doubt that it's a good way to memorize things; it's just that I have never really found that memorization was ever an obstacle to my ability to learn something. I've always found that retention proceeds from understanding . Time spent flicking through flashcards for vocabulary or formulae or c…

> it's just that I have never really found that memorization was ever an obstacle to my ability to learn something

I mean, taken to an extreme, that's clearly wrong - if you had no working memory (or, say, forgot everything after 10 minutes), you also couldn't learn anything, at least in the sense of being able to use that knowledge long-term. Learning and memorization go hand in hand - learning is, in a sense, the act of getting new things into your memory.

If you mean that there's more to learning than just memorization, you're right! (mostly, see note) In many domains, you need more than just to try and rote memorize a bunch of facts. E.g. when studying math, you need to memorize things like definitions, but also understand them, which is another way of saying "memorize what they really mean". You need to "memorize" how to solve problems. Etc.

You certainly need to have that initial understanding when reading the material the first time, otherwise you can't possibly remember it. But, all of these can reasonably be called memorization, because they are all things that you might know one day, but get lost over time, and are things you can "drill". Therefore spaced repetition is a good way to make sure the stuff you learned once will stay in your memory long term.

Note: some things are pure memorization of facts, in a sense. E.g. I memorized all the locations of countries of the world, then their capitals, and now I'm working on their populations. There is some understanding that goes in here (and one of the reasons I do it is because it forces me to learn more about countries and make interesting connections), but for the large part, this is just brute "practice this fact enough times" learning.

Re: Anki: Memorization with Spaced Learning

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post #9

Also worth reading is the excellent (and pretty extensive) article by Michael Nielsen[1] showcasing how he used Anki to create an in-depth knowledge about AlphaGo. Personally, I've used Anki to keep remembering/revisiting the concepts that I use for a while and then move onto something else. Common APIs of programming languages and their standard libraries is one such area. I've found that while it's not really diffi…

This article is the best summarization of real, everyday usage of Anki outside of language learning and medical studies which are common uses of Anki. Reviewing flash cards is the highest leverage 10-15 minute habit I have besides planning my day. There's a certain joy and relief from having a reasonable confidence new information will be readily available to you for years to come. Much knowledge is better absorbed t…

A great list! Very similar to the kinds of things I put in Anki.

Do you have any other ideas/suggestions?

Re: Anki: Memorization with Spaced Learning

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post #43

Also worth reading is the excellent (and pretty extensive) article by Michael Nielsen[1] showcasing how he used Anki to create an in-depth knowledge about AlphaGo. Personally, I've used Anki to keep remembering/revisiting the concepts that I use for a while and then move onto something else. Common APIs of programming languages and their standard libraries is one such area. I've found that while it's not really diffi…

org-mode has an implementation of several spaced repetition algorithms, which is what Anki is using under the hood and what was originally invented for SuperMemo. The module is called org-drill. I'm in the process of turning many knowledge aspects of my life into a personal knowledge base inside org-mode. For books I'm reading, I find it invaluable to create org-mode items. One per concept. Sometimes I don't even bot…

Since we are talking about Emacs now, there's a package[1] for Anki just like everything else in Emacs. :) This basically connects to a background server of Anki, you create a card and press C-c C-c to send it to Anki. End of the day, just sync it.

I am one of those guys who try moving everything to Emacs, but personally I found Anki to be much better than org-drill just for the simple reason that I can go through the cards quickly using the phone app when I have some time (waiting for someone, something, etc.). With org-drill I have to be in front of my machine.

But yeah, I've pretty much sold to org-mode. I, too, have been creating a knowledge base inside org-mode. This contains the deeper knowledge and explanations, while the tidbits are in Anki. Org mode notes are like fat nodes, and Anki cards are the threads which bind them. I personally have found both to be very useful together.

[1]: https://github.com/louietan/anki-editor

Re: Anki: Memorization with Spaced Learning

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post #86
post #78

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There's a plugin for Anki for incremental reading: https://github.com/luoliyan/incremental-reading (Though I'm not sure how the internal database structure works with that, I think you can't save the whole text along with a deck instead of individual notes―but maybe addons can change that.)

I tried it awhile ago, and it didn't work well, but I'll try it again. Incremental reading is kind of finicky to get right. Incremental reading is the real draw of these programs for me, and Supermemo (despite it's flaws) is kind of the only one that has a decent implementation of it.

That's my story as well. I tried the Anki plugin and didn't find it as per my taste.

Now incremental reading for me is a multi-monitor and multipass approach. One monitor has Anki, the other has the thing I'm reading. I keep on reading and keep noting down questions.

I've also come to realise that the context is totally different when I frame a question during reading, and when I revisit the same question later. A lot of times I have to clean-up the question: perhaps add a little more context, change wording etc. so it becomes a bit easier to answer.

Re: Anki: Memorization with Spaced Learning

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post #84

I've used Anki over the past 8 years or so very successfully. I strongly recommend it to anyone learning a language. Here are some tips to get the most out of it: * Only put things you know into Anki. An individual Anki card should feel a little too easy when you make it. * Put in words with a good amount of context. Avoid single words as much as possible. The quickest way to do this is to just input the sentence fro…

I love Anki, but when it comes to language learning imo it is only great for bootstrapping a language and getting the first 250 - 500 words under your belt.

Beyond that it is like trying to learn how to ride a bike by putting facts about balance and motion into your Anki deck.

Re: Anki: Memorization with Spaced Learning

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post #84

I've used Anki over the past 8 years or so very successfully. I strongly recommend it to anyone learning a language. Here are some tips to get the most out of it: * Only put things you know into Anki. An individual Anki card should feel a little too easy when you make it. * Put in words with a good amount of context. Avoid single words as much as possible. The quickest way to do this is to just input the sentence fro…

I would also add:

* When learning languages, create your cards in a way that you must type the answers in Anki. It's way easier to acknowledge how confident you are with them.

* Your Anki cards/decks shouldn't be static: edit and tree-shake them often. It means that you got a deeper understanding of the subject.

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