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John McCain has died

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Re: John McCain has died

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"Asked how he wanted to be remembered, McCain said: 'He served his country, and not always right—made a lot of mistakes, made a lot of errors—but served his country, and, I hope we could add, honorably.'"

Last part always gets me. It takes a lot of humility to accept mistakes. RIP an honorable man

Re: John McCain has died

#32

"McCain graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1958 and followed his father and grandfather—both four-star admirals—into the U.S. Navy. He became a naval aviator and flew ground-attack aircraft from aircraft carriers. During the Vietnam War, he was almost killed in the 1967 USS Forrestal fire. While McCain was on a bombing mission over Hanoi in October 1967, he was shot down, seriously injured, and capture…

And you probably were paid more!

Re: John McCain has died

#33
"Bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb Iran" -McCain

That's what I remember him for. He later said he was just joking. As if joking about killing thousands of people is somehow better.

Re: John McCain has died

#34
post #15

Just a reminder that Republican vs Democrat doesn't ultimately matter. I think McCain embodied that belief through his long years of service to the USA, his willingness to reach across the aisle and through his values and ideals (integrity, respect, honesty) from which he did not waver.

> Just a reminder that Republican vs Democrat doesn't ultimately matter.

Sadly, all too many voters (and politicians) treat it like a football game.

Re: John McCain has died

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post #15

Just a reminder that Republican vs Democrat doesn't ultimately matter. I think McCain embodied that belief through his long years of service to the USA, his willingness to reach across the aisle and through his values and ideals (integrity, respect, honesty) from which he did not waver.

Could you explain your opening statement a little?

The way I'm interpreting it implies that the platform differences between those parties isn't really important in any way.

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#36

John McCain did somethings that I disagree with but the one thing I will always remember is when during the 2008 election there were multiple times during town halls and rallies that people would verbally attack Obama and McCain always shut them down without fail.

I've wondered about this for a long time. Can you be a republican and be considered virtuous. Not sure why my comment was downvoted, I am not suggesting that this is that case, just asking why its not case.

I am not an American but the way I understood American politics is that Republican values are believing that you are successful because you worked hard while democrats are that you are merely a product of the zeitgeist. All the policies of each 'side' can be extrapolated from that basic tenet.

For example, if you are a republican you favor slashing funding for social programs(eg: McCain's bill to slash funding for military medical research funding, slash funding to amtrak ).

can you still be considered virtuous if you are republican?

Re: John McCain has died

#37
The comment section on the story about this on Foxnew.com [1] is eye-opening. At the moment it is about 1/3 celebrating his death and complaining that he was really a RINO or closet liberal, 1/3 not commenting on his death but complaining about the RINO/closet liberal stuff, and 1/3 expressing sorrow at his death.

[1] http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/25/john-mccain-dead-...

Addendum: the comments section seems to have been removed from that story.

Re: John McCain has died

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post #14

John McCain did somethings that I disagree with but the one thing I will always remember is when during the 2008 election there were multiple times during town halls and rallies that people would verbally attack Obama and McCain always shut them down without fail.

His concession speech: > I urge all Americans who supported me to join me in not just congratulating him, but offering our next president our good will and earnest effort to find ways to come together to find the necessary compromises to bridge our differences and help restore our prosperity, defend our security in a dangerous world, and leave our children and grandchildren a stronger, better country than we inherite…

There is a quote, (miss-)attributed to Voltaire: "I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It". I think McCain could have said it too. I don't think there are many people like that left in politics.

Re: John McCain has died

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post #14

John McCain did somethings that I disagree with but the one thing I will always remember is when during the 2008 election there were multiple times during town halls and rallies that people would verbally attack Obama and McCain always shut them down without fail.

His concession speech: > I urge all Americans who supported me to join me in not just congratulating him, but offering our next president our good will and earnest effort to find ways to come together to find the necessary compromises to bridge our differences and help restore our prosperity, defend our security in a dangerous world, and leave our children and grandchildren a stronger, better country than we inherite…

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