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The Student Debt Problem Is Worse Than We Imagined

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Re: The Student Debt Problem Is Worse Than We Imagined

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Reminder: Your future employers care more about side projects and experience than some writing on a piece of paper. You don't need to go to college to be a kick ass programmer.

Programmers account for 1-2% of jobs. Sadly there are a great many careers where a degree is required. Many of those probably don't need a degree, but the number of jobs requiring it has grown, in the same way the number of jobs requiring licensing has grown.

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Reminder: Your future employers care more about side projects and experience than some writing on a piece of paper. You don't need to go to college to be a kick ass programmer.

It's very difficult to start your career at leading companies such as Google, Facebook, etc without going to a reputable school.

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Reminder: Your future employers care more about side projects and experience than some writing on a piece of paper. You don't need to go to college to be a kick ass programmer.

a fair number of companies require that an individual has a degree or is working on one in order to work in their programming or engineering departments. Typically people who get around these requirements have a strong network which is not necessarily easy unless you were transitioning to programming from another profession.

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Reminder: Your future employers care more about side projects and experience than some writing on a piece of paper. You don't need to go to college to be a kick ass programmer.

Programmers account for 1-2% of jobs. Sadly there are a great many careers where a degree is required. Many of those probably don't need a degree, but the number of jobs requiring it has grown, in the same way the number of jobs requiring licensing has grown.

1-2%? For some reason that seems high to me. Certainly one out of every 100 people I meet aren't programmers.

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The VERY worrying part is that those number have started to be recorded in 2012 - just after the previous crisis, when the economy was booming.

Current unemployment rates in the US are very very low. When they start going up again the share of student struggling to replay will be out of control/

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Reminder: Your future employers care more about side projects and experience than some writing on a piece of paper. You don't need to go to college to be a kick ass programmer.

It's very difficult to start your career at leading companies such as Google, Facebook, etc without going to a reputable school.

That's why you usually do not start there. Google might require a degree, but your local hairdresser does not ask for one as long as you can create his website. Then move your way up from there. After several years recruiters will be more interested in your experience, projects and contributions than your non existing degree.

EDIT: other options include working at startups/smaller companies, contributing to open source to get social validation of your abilities, learning some skills through coursera/online courses, ...

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It's very difficult to start your career at leading companies such as Google, Facebook, etc without going to a reputable school.

That's why you usually do not start there. Google might require a degree, but your local hairdresser does not ask for one as long as you can create his website. Then move your way up from there. After several years recruiters will be more interested in your experience, projects and contributions than your non existing degree. EDIT: other options include working at startups/smaller companies, contributing to open sour…

That's absurd, you're much better off going to a reputable school, working hard, grinding leetcode, completing internships, and then getting a $150k+/yr TC job to start. You'll come out far ahead by going to a good school. If you're able to start at Google while you're still in high school, that's a different story.
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