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Re: An Oral History of ‘GoldenEye 007’ on the N64

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Post by distantsounds » Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 1:55 PM UTC

orev wrote: post #20

One of the best aspects of GoldenEye multiplayer was social, real social, not in the “stream on twitch” kind of way. You had to all be in the same room, and you could yell and scream at each other, hear people’s reactions, other people could watch, share a few pizzas, and it just brought everyone together. These days everyone can be in their own room in different locations, and even with voice chat it’s just not the…

you're describing literally ever multi-player game before the dawn of the internet. it wasn't limited to just Goldeneye.

Re: An Oral History of ‘GoldenEye 007’ on the N64

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Post by ashleyn » Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 1:57 PM UTC

orev wrote: post #20

One of the best aspects of GoldenEye multiplayer was social, real social, not in the “stream on twitch” kind of way. You had to all be in the same room, and you could yell and scream at each other, hear people’s reactions, other people could watch, share a few pizzas, and it just brought everyone together. These days everyone can be in their own room in different locations, and even with voice chat it’s just not the…

The rise of cheap internet is what ushered this away. Even the original GE devs saw it coming. Perfect Dark, the followup using the same team and engine, was originally slated to ship with a modem and RJ-11 jack in the cartridge.

Re: An Oral History of ‘GoldenEye 007’ on the N64

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Post by scarface74 » Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 2:05 PM UTC

bluedino wrote: post #12

petepete wrote: post #4

> will be the game’s 21st birthday, allowing Bond to finally taste one of his revered cocktails Legal drinking age is 18 in the UK, I'm amazed it's as high as 21 in the US.

It was 18 for a while during the 70’s. But kids were getting drunk and crashing and dying like crazy, so Ronald Reagan raised the drinking age back to 22 in the 1980’s with the threat of cutting highway funding to states that did not comply.

18 was considered too young to have alcohol but it’s still old enough to join the military, legally sign contracts, etc.

Re: An Oral History of ‘GoldenEye 007’ on the N64

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Post by jgalt212 » Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 2:06 PM UTC

jdmoreira wrote: post #17

I wish I could go back to the days where our group would spend all our free time playing split screen GoldenEye at my friend's basement. If you were privileged enough (which we were) the 90s were a great time to be a child.

having friends, access to a basement and enough cash to purchase Goldeneye, or a friend with the cash, sets a very low bar for the term "privileged".

Re: An Oral History of ‘GoldenEye 007’ on the N64

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Post by jgalt212 » Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 2:08 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #23

bluedino wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was 18 for a while during the 70’s. But kids were getting drunk and crashing and dying like crazy, so Ronald Reagan raised the drinking age back to 22 in the 1980’s with the threat of cutting highway funding to states that did not comply.

18 was considered too young to have alcohol but it’s still old enough to join the military, legally sign contracts, etc.

but not old enough to rent a car at market rates (25 in U.S.)

Hertz and Avis were well ahead of the game.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164...

Re: An Oral History of ‘GoldenEye 007’ on the N64

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Post by Jaruzel » Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 2:09 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #19

petepete wrote: post #4

> will be the game’s 21st birthday, allowing Bond to finally taste one of his revered cocktails Legal drinking age is 18 in the UK, I'm amazed it's as high as 21 in the US.

Legal drinking age is five in the UK. It's 18 to buy alcohol.

Yup, and most savvy parents slowly acclimatise their children to alcohol by allowing them wine or beer on occasion with a meal when they are in their teens. Done right, by the time the child hits 18 they don't go crazy with booze, and treat it with respect.

Re: An Oral History of ‘GoldenEye 007’ on the N64

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Post by scarface74 » Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 2:10 PM UTC

jdmoreira wrote: post #17

I wish I could go back to the days where our group would spend all our free time playing split screen GoldenEye at my friend's basement. If you were privileged enough (which we were) the 90s were a great time to be a child.

My son still gets together with his friends. They will bring over their PS4 and connect to his computer monitor in his room and they will play with each other “online” sitting right by each other.

At one point, he’s had four friends over all with PS4s playing against each other on separate displays in the house - thank goodness for wired gigabit Ethernet through the house and a bidirectional gig-e Internet connection that didn’t even blink at the traffic. My wife and I were still able to watch DirecTVNow....

Back in the day, they would have to drag desktop computers, CRT monitors and known how to network them for LAN parties.

Re: An Oral History of ‘GoldenEye 007’ on the N64

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Post by firdak » Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 2:16 PM UTC

maxerickson wrote: post #9

louthy wrote: post #3

> What emerged was a masterpiece that changed the industry and set many standards still seen in first-person shooters today. Erm, what? Quake already existed at that point. I always thought Goldeneye was poor compared to Quake, which was really mind blowing at the time.

The thing Goldeneye really brought was massive popularity. (More copies of Goldeneye sold in 1998 than Quake sales for 1996, 1997, 1998 and 1999 combined...almost 2x.) It also became a benchmark for console shooters, good multiplayer or get out.

> The thing Goldeneye really brought was massive popularity.

Exactly. I always thought Goldeneye was inferior to contemporary PC shooters, but for many who didn't have a powerful PC at the time, Goldeneye was their first FPS and they probably feel the same way about it as I do about the original Doom.

Re: An Oral History of ‘GoldenEye 007’ on the N64

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Post by scarface74 » Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 2:20 PM UTC

jgalt212 wrote: post #25

scarface74 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

18 was considered too young to have alcohol but it’s still old enough to join the military, legally sign contracts, etc.

but not old enough to rent a car at market rates (25 in U.S.) Hertz and Avis were well ahead of the game. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164...

And insurance companies had enough sense to charge an arm and a leg to a single 24 year old with a Mustang. My insurance cost more than my car note back then.

Re: An Oral History of ‘GoldenEye 007’ on the N64

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Post by emidln » Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 2:25 PM UTC

jgalt212 wrote: post #25

scarface74 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

18 was considered too young to have alcohol but it’s still old enough to join the military, legally sign contracts, etc.

but not old enough to rent a car at market rates (25 in U.S.) Hertz and Avis were well ahead of the game. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164...

When I was on my first business trip at 18, I couldn't check into a hotel in Michigan by myself. I had to call me contact at (then) DaimlerChrysler to meet me for check in. I had a credit card that could buy a brand new car, but I couldn't get the key to a $75 hotel room due to age.

I later found out that, at the time, there was no law preventing me from acquiring the room, but the hotel policy was to not allow unaccompanied individuals under 21.