> It’s just an illness. I mean, it’s right there in the name “Mental ILLNESS” so it shouldn’t have been the revelation that it was I think this is actually a big part of the problem. In most other contexts we encounter, stuffing an adjective in there means "NOT". Soy milk? Not real milk. Computer science? Don't see anyone using the scientific method. I'm absolutely certain that mental illness is real, and deserves re…
I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed
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Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed
#62I'm glad a celebrity is willing to come out and talk about this stuff, it makes me feel less insane for suffering through it myself. But there's not much actual advice here. It sounds like the main thing that helped him were pills. Also: > as a white, heterosexual, cisgender man in America, I live life on the lowest difficulty setting What a pathetic, and wholly incorrect thing to say.
It also might explain the absolute vitriol that comes from Mr. Wheaton's twitter feed. I really believe if you rage against other people by calling them subhumans it reflects on your own condition. You cannot stay happy with yourself if you put malice into the world at such high levels. Not everyone you disagree with is automatically evil of the highest order. Too many people stare into an abyss of their own making that prevents proper healing of their own soul.
Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed
#63> It’s just an illness. I mean, it’s right there in the name “Mental ILLNESS” so it shouldn’t have been the revelation that it was I think this is actually a big part of the problem. In most other contexts we encounter, stuffing an adjective in there means "NOT". Soy milk? Not real milk. Computer science? Don't see anyone using the scientific method. I'm absolutely certain that mental illness is real, and deserves re…
No, in most contexts in English, modifying a noun with an adjective doesn't invert the meaning of the noun.
A “respiratory infection” is a real infection.
A “premeditated homicide” is a real homicide.
Or, from your post:
A “big part” is a real part.
A “better word” is a real word.
The “scientific method” is a real method.
“Real study” is real study and “real treatment” is real treatment.
Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed
#64So what do you guys think: hunter-gatherers, then feudal farmers and then now - how does median/average suffering per capita compare? We all have better luxuries now than kings had hundreds of years ago. Less famine, life threatening situations and so on. But we do have a way to compare ourselves with best parts of lives of many interesting people around the world. We have antibiotics and painkillers, but we also see…
Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think human beings have been doing manual labor since they emerged from the forests 50k years ago: hunter/gathering, agriculture(pre-industrialization) Manual labor is our default condition. Everyone can do manual labor, or they can eventually get in shape enough to do it.
> I think human beings have been doing manual labor since they emerged from the forests 50k years ago Believe it or not, the conditions humans live in now are different than 50K years ago; it's much more common for someone able to survive to adulthood without being able to do manual labor now. > Everyone can do manual labor, or they can eventually get in shape enough to do it. Stephen Hawking, for a fairly extreme an…
The industrial revolution happened 300 years ago.
We were farming and huntering/gathering for 50,000+ years before that.
Our bodies have not lost the ability to do manual labor in under 10 generations.
Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed
#66So what do you guys think: hunter-gatherers, then feudal farmers and then now - how does median/average suffering per capita compare? We all have better luxuries now than kings had hundreds of years ago. Less famine, life threatening situations and so on. But we do have a way to compare ourselves with best parts of lives of many interesting people around the world. We have antibiotics and painkillers, but we also see…
This is just my personal perspective for the most part, but I think a lot of the anxiety I feel stems from innate, primal survival instincts that have no real need anymore in my life position. For instance even though I could support myself and probably a small family on my current compensation, but I still feel the urge to get a raise. I still worry about my motorcycle getting stolen off the street even though it's…
Dude, that one's easy. Look at your cheap crappy bike and laugh. "Hah! What kind of self respecting thief would even bother stealing a crappy bike like this?"
Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Relevant background:I'm a psychiatrist. "Talking about it" and "talking with a therapist" are different, and a good therapist using an evidence-based approach to therapy is effective. Evidence-based therapies are different than "chatting with a buddy." That said, finding a good and well-trained therapist is often difficult. In approximately 10% of people, psychotherapy makes things worse rather than better. Sleep hyg…
> Evidence-based therapies are different than "chatting with a buddy." Do you have any experimental evidence for that?
Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed
#68I'm glad a celebrity is willing to come out and talk about this stuff, it makes me feel less insane for suffering through it myself. But there's not much actual advice here. It sounds like the main thing that helped him were pills. Also: > as a white, heterosexual, cisgender man in America, I live life on the lowest difficulty setting What a pathetic, and wholly incorrect thing to say.
Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think human beings have been doing manual labor since they emerged from the forests 50k years ago: hunter/gathering, agriculture(pre-industrialization) Manual labor is our default condition. Everyone can do manual labor, or they can eventually get in shape enough to do it.
> Manual labor is our default condition. It might have been our default condition, but it certainly isn't now. Manual labor has evolved with the machines and techniques of civilization. Its been a while since ditch diggers weren't aided by mechanical assistance, and we've all met people who really cannot be trusted near anything with moving parts.
The industrial revolution happened 300 years ago.
We were farming and huntering/gathering for 50,000+ years before that.
Our bodies have not lost the ability to do manual labor in under 10 generations.
Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed
#70This article strikes me as partially honest and raw and then the other to be very planned and calculated. Let's get this out now: I'm glad he finally sought help, and that he's getting it. The things about this article that bug me: 1. He starts off with the article with a "trigger warning." The title is about depression and anxiety. Having a 'trigger warning' is either insulting to the reader, or it's a weird posturi…
1) Reflects current consensus in the field. Some may argue as 'coddling'(and consensus and approach may change) but is in general regarded as the safe empathetic thing to do, slightly analogous to epilepsy considerations.
'Posturing' could be considered an uncharitable assumption here... "What is the agenda behind any posturing?"
2.a) Presumably pointed out to show that it can indeed affect anyone. B) likely reflects a common thought cycle of his (guilt at feeling this way due to position etc.; this becomes part of the self hate cycle). C) to precisely acknowledge that this article doesn't intend to undermine other precarious or disadvantaged positions).
"> My life is, by every objective measurement, very very good. Clearly not if you're suffering."
This is precisely the point he was making, I believe(...?)
3) is important to those readers that still cannot bear to even imagine burdening their loved one with a similar admission. At least one of this article's readers wept imagining the value, freedom and weightlessness that may come from finally saying this, and by extension realising the inevitability of that statement vs a more unsatisfactory ending. (I.e it was valuable to one reader , at least).
4. Seems appropriate to ask for funding to reduce net negative emotion in the world.
I would assume that your downvotes are due to your answer showing appearing unnecessarily hostile and uncharitable to the article, which is probably being interpreted on face value and being written with good, empathetic intention (not a hidden agenda).