“Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.”
― Carl Sagan
Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science
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Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The first documented death related to asbestos was in 1906, yet it was only banned a century later Incredibly it's still not generally banned in the USA; only a small list of products are banned by the EPA federally.[0] It was increasingly banned in Europe from the mid 1980s, and totally banned throughout the EU in 2005.[1] [0] https://www.epa.gov/asbestos/us-federal-bans-asbestos [1] https://cordis.europa.eu/news/…
> Incredibly it's still not generally banned in the USA Surprisingly (to me) the restrictions on asbestos use were relaxed on 1 June 2018: https://www.fastcompany.com/90208948/under-trumps-epa-asbest...
Sadly, it's not that surprising.
Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science
#73Could this be cumulative exhaust from satellite transfers?
I wonder, the article says it's been visible for decades by photographers. We could correlate the time the photos are taken with rocket launches. Also, there is no wikipedia page about this phenomena yet.
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#74I remember seeing one of those on a night flight from the US to Europe. The pilot pointed it out on the PA and was puzzled as to what it was. It looked like a thin line of clouds illuminated by a super bright moon… except there was no moon that night and it was way higher than where clouds are supposed to be. Color was a silvery white.
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#75Saw something like this in Alaska in the late 90's driving south towards Glenallen on a youth hockey road trip. It was a localized spot of purple/blue Aurora. Came out of nowhere, the shapes looked like a cauldron of boiling water but in bright colors. Everyone in the van saw it.
Always figured it was an experiment from this remote HAARP research facility that fires radio waves at the ionosphere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_...
Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Incredibly it's still not generally banned in the USA; only a small list of products are banned by the EPA federally.[0] It was increasingly banned in Europe from the mid 1980s, and totally banned throughout the EU in 2005.[1] Like everything else, everything is deadly at large doses. Even water. Alcohol clearly causes stomach cancer too at large doses, yet alcohol is not banned, right? If we were to ban everything…
everything is deadly at large doses ... if we were to ban everything that leads to a certain point of toxicity, we would not be able to live with anything around us No, that's not how this works. The salient point here, is that we know about specific things which are predominantly non-essential, and atrociously bad for everyone . Lead. Asbestos. Cigarette smoke. DDT. Plutonium. This list is not exhaustive. Believe it…
The thing is though that most of the materials in that list can still be used in ways that don't incur risk. Just because making your water system out of a toxic metal is a bad idea doesn't mean you should outlaw the use of fishing weights and lead-acid batteries, in the same way the banning the shoving of asbestos into every corner of a house doesn't mean you have to also stop using it in firefighting equipment.
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#77Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it's not speculation. I have a cite: literally the entire progression of human history and societal development. Steady (and in the last century, enormous) progression toward more leisure time, with more wealth and latitude at our disposal than ever before. UBI is good. You're going to fund UBI by working for other people.
How are you measuring leisure time? My impression is that great gains were made in the union heyday of the 40s-60s, but that leisure time for most workers has been declining since then. The move to almost universal dual income households means outside-work time is spent doing the stuff that used to be done during the day. Also many more people have a second job. I’d be greatly heartened by data showing leisure time h…
If the context here is the development of human history leading up to notions of private employment then our timeline is in the tens of thousands of years and variations within past decades become almost irrelevant. Comparing hunter-gatherers or roaming tribes with modern city dwellers? Enough said.
I'm not sure I disagree with you about the last 50 years. I think it's a bit of a hard topic to dissect because the notion of a "workday" is relative and changes over time. I think a day of work is a lot easier now than in the 1950s and I think the ancillary work we perform to care for ourselves and our homes is reduced. By how much, I'm not sure how to quantify.
I recall Hans Rosling did a great talk along these lines, "The Magic Washing Machine." It's mostly talking about the mechanization of household labor in the mid century which we agree took place. I think since then we no longer spend as much time cooking, or cleaning, maintaining our appliances or cars. I think improvements in communication systems save a surprising amount of time -- consider how many hours a month you might waste if cell phones didn't exist? If you had to drive to a place to sign paperwork instead of fill out an online form?
There's nothing so large as the washing machine in the last 50 years but I think we have a significant amount of small improvements. Coupled with work becoming more palatable (part of why work/life becomes blurred is that some large percentage of us enjoy working) I think there's a possibility that labor has shrank in the last 50 years even if people work longer hours. Which they may not, factoring in household labor.
I know many people who do not need to work as hard as they do -- some who do not need to work at all. Yet they still do, even when the requirement is removed.
My opinion about the last 50 years is fairly weakly held, I'm basically just thinking freely. My strong comments above are in reference to the development of much more basic notions like "private employment."
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#79“Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.” ― Carl Sagan
Counterpoint:
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."
- HP Lovecraft
Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science
#80I remember seeing one of those on a night flight from the US to Europe. The pilot pointed it out on the PA and was puzzled as to what it was. It looked like a thin line of clouds illuminated by a super bright moon… except there was no moon that night and it was way higher than where clouds are supposed to be. Color was a silvery white.