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Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science

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Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science

#41

Could this be cumulative exhaust from satellite transfers?

I wonder, the article says it's been visible for decades by photographers. We could correlate the time the photos are taken with rocket launches.

Also, there is no wikipedia page about this phenomena yet.

Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science

#42
I don't get really why this is so surprising. The planet Venus has had cometary plasma tails, as has Mars (and it is entirely possible that the age old religious tales of Mars being some sort of warrior, and Venus being an angry snake-headed goddess was just our ancestors witnessing a very rare interplanetary electrical discharge via Birkeland currents), so this is probably just a form of our own tail.

Aurora themselves are just the interaction of our magnetic field with that of the Sun's, so it seems unlikely that large scale magnetic fields are not also the cause of this one.

Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science

#43
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even things we do understand and that we have documented are underused. Let's take a few examples. I had Malaria 10 years ago. Well, did you know Atovaquone-Proguanil (e.g: Malarone) can not only prevent Malaria, but also __cure__ it, killing the plasmodium in the liver? Still, most people, including a lot of doctors, think you can't cure Malaria and you have to live with it for life. The first documented death relat…

> The first documented death related to asbestos was in 1906, yet it was only banned a century later Incredibly it's still not generally banned in the USA; only a small list of products are banned by the EPA federally.[0] It was increasingly banned in Europe from the mid 1980s, and totally banned throughout the EU in 2005.[1] [0] https://www.epa.gov/asbestos/us-federal-bans-asbestos [1] https://cordis.europa.eu/news/…

> Incredibly it's still not generally banned in the USA

Surprisingly (to me) the restrictions on asbestos use were relaxed on 1 June 2018:

https://www.fastcompany.com/90208948/under-trumps-epa-asbest...

Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science

#44

> "To photographers and stargazers in northern climes, Steve has been a familiar night phenomenon for decades. But the mysterious ribbons of light only entered the scientific literature for the first time earlier this year" It's so exciting to realize how little we really know . Think about how many fantastic unexplained things there must be in the universe if we haven't even finished understanding the ones right und…

Even things we do understand and that we have documented are underused. Let's take a few examples. I had Malaria 10 years ago. Well, did you know Atovaquone-Proguanil (e.g: Malarone) can not only prevent Malaria, but also __cure__ it, killing the plasmodium in the liver? Still, most people, including a lot of doctors, think you can't cure Malaria and you have to live with it for life. The first documented death relat…

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Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science

#45
post #37
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The first documented death related to asbestos was in 1906, yet it was only banned a century later Incredibly it's still not generally banned in the USA; only a small list of products are banned by the EPA federally.[0] It was increasingly banned in Europe from the mid 1980s, and totally banned throughout the EU in 2005.[1] [0] https://www.epa.gov/asbestos/us-federal-bans-asbestos [1] https://cordis.europa.eu/news/…

>Incredibly it's still not generally banned in the USA; only a small list of products are banned by the EPA federally.[0] It was increasingly banned in Europe from the mid 1980s, and totally banned throughout the EU in 2005.[1] Like everything else, everything is deadly at large doses. Even water. Alcohol clearly causes stomach cancer too at large doses, yet alcohol is not banned, right? If we were to ban everything…

> The ones who are at the most risk in regard to asbestos are workers in construction or demolition. And in most countries how they should work with asbestos is now clearly regulated (safety gear and procedures).

Yes but this is something that is commonly badly understood: the problem with asbestos is not that we can't manage it, it's that it WILL be badly managed at some point.

If you handle arsenic, you won't put it in schools and offices. You will manipulate it in very specifically environment that accommodate specific activities and is filled with specific people.

With asbestos, you have it in unmarked exposed building parts. Some accident may damage them. Somebody may drill a hole to fix something. Some contractor may rebuilt part of something without noticing. And then a small but continuous dose of asbestos will invisibly goes into the occupant lungs for years.

It's like lead in water pipe. It's insidious.

Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science

#46

> At about 200 miles (300 km) above Earth, the air inside Steve blazed about 5,500 degrees Fahrenheit (3,000 degrees Celsius) hotter than the air on each side, and moved about 500 times faster. This band of hot, surging gas was about 16 miles (25 km) wide. My bet is that it's a trace of a weapon. Propulsion trail? High energy laser hotspot?

> has been a familiar night phenomenon for decades

does't really fit with your theory...

Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science

#47
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sweating would be a lot more effective in a near-vacuum, if we assume you'd wear one of those futuristic mechanical counterpressure space suite.

How come? I thought sweating worked by helping to lead the heat to the air

No, it works by using up heat to change a materials' phase, that is turning it from liquid to gaseous.

Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science

#48
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Alright, so for decades Steve was called aurora as well, possibly for ages by natives observing it; yet now scientists decided to slap another sticker on it as the original scientific aurora explanation doesn't fit this class of what was traditionally called aurora as well; and we ended up with 'Steve'...

"Quark" and all of its generations[0] have unusual names as well. If STEVE actually is a new phenomenon, then eventually the name will stop sounding weird. The acronymization of the name also helps. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark#Etymology

"name will stop sounding weird."

I think it will just confuse a lot of people.

I know people love hip generic names, but this is a bridge too far IMHO.

Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science

#49
post #37
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The first documented death related to asbestos was in 1906, yet it was only banned a century later Incredibly it's still not generally banned in the USA; only a small list of products are banned by the EPA federally.[0] It was increasingly banned in Europe from the mid 1980s, and totally banned throughout the EU in 2005.[1] [0] https://www.epa.gov/asbestos/us-federal-bans-asbestos [1] https://cordis.europa.eu/news/…

>Incredibly it's still not generally banned in the USA; only a small list of products are banned by the EPA federally.[0] It was increasingly banned in Europe from the mid 1980s, and totally banned throughout the EU in 2005.[1] Like everything else, everything is deadly at large doses. Even water. Alcohol clearly causes stomach cancer too at large doses, yet alcohol is not banned, right? If we were to ban everything…

  everything is deadly at large doses

  ...

  if we were to ban everything that leads to 
  a certain point of toxicity, we would not 
  be able to live with anything around us
No, that's not how this works.

The salient point here, is that we know about specific things which are predominantly non-essential, and atrociously bad for everyone.

Lead. Asbestos. Cigarette smoke. DDT. Plutonium. This list is not exhaustive.

Believe it or not, humanity is well acquainted with some natural, persistent, toxic villains, that no one needs to share a room with. No one's life is actually better with any of these things.

Yeah, coffee has low concentrations of acrylamide in it. Then, use that to argue that there's the same sort of calculated risk in the stimulant side-effects sought by those who self administer a cigarette's dose of smoke.

People try to form the same sort of argument, when contrasting natural substances and materials, versus synthetic counterparts. Gee, everything's natural! Yes, and the sun will swallow the better part of the solar system during its red giant phase. Except, that's not the point.

Muddying the waters, by digging up grey zone edge cases doesn't make asbestos a desirable choice for consumer goods, or even professional products. It doesn't make cigarettes good for anyone. It doesn't make lead a practical additive for gasoline. It doesn't mean we should render random birds extinct as by-catch, so we can barbecue all summer. It doesn't mean plutonium, in any amount, should be handled beyond the watchful eyes of armed guards by pretty much anyone.

Re: Eerie Skyglow Called 'Steve' Isn't an Aurora, Is 'Completely Unknown' to Science

#50

> At about 200 miles (300 km) above Earth, the air inside Steve blazed about 5,500 degrees Fahrenheit (3,000 degrees Celsius) hotter than the air on each side, and moved about 500 times faster. This band of hot, surging gas was about 16 miles (25 km) wide. My bet is that it's a trace of a weapon. Propulsion trail? High energy laser hotspot?

I saw something very like this is a few years ago in the North of Scotland and after some moments of wonder I did assume it was a contrail from a missile launch - not at all a familiar event but there where some air bases in the region, and this shimmering plume extending through the frosty night sky into space begged an explanation.
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