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In Oklahoma it seems to be more like $40K. :( When I went to make some job applications, I realized none of my professors gave any of the new CS graduates any advice on what salary to ask for. It's a moot point because I'm not convinced there are any CS jobs out here. I'm graduating top in my class, have 3 years experience working at a (folded) software development startup, and I've even done a NASA intership - and e…
A friend of mine just took a menial enterprise programming job (in Pittsburgh) that is paying 55k. And I mean menial, it's converting legacy systems from Cobol to Java.
Just write a cobol to java compiler and be done with it.
http://www.jazillian.com/howCOBOL.html
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Raises? It's called changing jobs.
I'm not sure what you're getting at -- should I change jobs when I feel like I'm due a better salary? Even if the job is awesome?
It's just money, so don't be shy.
On this note, I have a question that I (as a new grad) don't know anything about. What are raises like? How often do they happen? How much? What does it take?
Negotiate your starting salary as high as you can, and don't count on quick raises.
Here's a useful article on the topic from ever-helpful Rands:
http://www.randsinrepose.com/archives/2008/04/11/the_busines...
Daniel
On this note, I have a question that I (as a new grad) don't know anything about. What are raises like? How often do they happen? How much? What does it take?
Don't count on quick raises from a very low salary unless you've explicitly discussed that with your boss or at your interview. In most places I've seen, they're happy to calculate raises using %, which means you get a whopping 20% raise on a £20k salary - which still amounts to peanuts (£24k is not much different from £20k). Negotiate your starting salary as high as you can, and don't count on quick raises. Here's a…
Academia, of course, gives you entirely different salaries. For an Assistant Prof. job at a good university you are looking at ~65,000 +/- 10k depending on location. This of course is supposed to be for 9 months, but good luck telling your tenure review committee you didn't do any work during the summers. Word is lucrative part-time consulting gigs can be had if you are enterprising. It looks as if you are at about 1…
By the way, even your salary number seems low. Perhaps your numbers include teaching colleges?
As for summers, they are also a good time to build a startup. Most tenure review committees don't mind that sort of thing.
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Here in the UK the starting salary for coders outside London is around $45k (+$5k for a masters). However that is for a 37 hour working week. Most people can add 50% over basic in overtime (for 40% extra hours, due to premium rates). Northern Mexico is about $30k which, compared to basic cost of living, equates to about $120k in California :)
In London, CS grads at banks get around $80k. IT consultants get $60k. You can't really survive on much less than that in London :)
A friend of mine just took a menial enterprise programming job (in Pittsburgh) that is paying 55k. And I mean menial, it's converting legacy systems from Cobol to Java.
But don't let on. Work on your startup with the new extra time.