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Re: Nobody Trusts Facebook, Twitter Is a Hot Mess, What Is Snapchat Doing?

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Post by analyst74 »

pcpcpc wrote: post #127
Benjammer wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>“Why would I go around the company and just chat with people? Like that would be so awkward” He sounds like a 17 year old, not necessarily that he has no idea what he's doing, imo. Just seems super immature a lot of the time.

full quote: "I had a pretty serious Christian upbringing. I remember growing up I was taught to be small, be a turtle,” he says. “I remember thinking, Why would I go around the company and just chat with people? Like that would be so awkward. Now I go walk around the office and get a ton of emails like, ‘Oh, my God, that was awesome you came by.’ ” but bloomberg did only highlight the bit you quoted and put it severa…

That's one of the many techniques journalists use to create false perspective without out right lying.

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Post by misiti3780 »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #3

Spiegel miscalculated and its cost him billions. He had multiple opportunities to sell Snapchat to the competitors who are now still growing and copying his features while his own platform has essentially stalled out. A verge article detailed its decline a few months ago: https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/18/17366528/snapchat-decline... And the previous HN discussion on said article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?i…

i agree with everything you said except he is a currently supposedly worth 3B which is more than he would have gotten if he sold to facebook -- no?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

sonofaplum wrote: post #140
toomuchtodo wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh, you've given me a great idea for a weekend project (a free directory where you can put your info in, and you'll show up in Google search results). Think Gravatar, but for all of your contact info.

don't forget to add a picture and allow you to tag some interests as well

What would you call it? Imagine it's not just a publisher to Google, but you could land on the directory through a domain. Something about being a planetary directory.

Re: Nobody Trusts Facebook, Twitter Is a Hot Mess, What Is Snapchat Doing?

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Post by derefr »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #143
sonofaplum wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

don't forget to add a picture and allow you to tag some interests as well

What would you call it? Imagine it's not just a publisher to Google, but you could land on the directory through a domain. Something about being a planetary directory.

The parent was probably being facetious (they're saying that you're sort of Greenspunning Facebook.)

Nevertheless, services like this already exist. https://about.me, for example. "Vanity website" is the generic term, I think. It's essentially a one-page business card that you can register a domain for.

The difference between these services, and Facebook, is that people sign up for Facebook and fill out their contact details as a necessary step in the process of doing something else they wanted/needed to do. People don't seek out Facebook, they just... end up there. Like your name ends up in the White Pages.

Whereas, these "business-card website" services, you have to explicitly seek out and register with, just for the purpose of having that information out there. Less like the White Pages, more like the Yellow Pages. People that want to be reached out to (i.e. people with "personal brands"—marketers) are willing to go to this effort, but regular people aren't.

It's very unlikely that, if you're looking to connect with someone (who is not the type to create a big public presence for themselves), that they'll have registered with one of these services. Why would they have?

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Post by drb91 »

Maro wrote: post #64

Based on my brief time at FB (in 2016-2017), FB is not evil. MZ is trying to do the right thing, overall. Using this as a major piece of positioning/propaganda is not going to work for Spiegel. Also, if they ever want to make money, they'll be playing the exact same game as FB. That's going to be tough, as by now Snapchat is just a feature (of FB). Also, I can tell you, FB employees are laser focused on executing and…

If you have to trust the CEO, you’re gonna get burned. They have different interests than you. The only thing you should trust him to do is make more money if possible.

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Post by rohit2412 »

komali2 wrote: post #139
reaperducer wrote: post #132

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The alternative, on average, is not to hear anything about these old friends and never meet them, lose touch, and that's the end of it. The alternatives are telephone, e-mail, actual mail, text messages, and other means that are not trying to track, tabulate, and sell you and your personal information to the highest bidder. Amazingly, people managed to stay in touch for thousands of years before Facebook even existed…

Are my emails and text messages not being tracked? My postcards? My telephone calls are definitely being listened to, we know that thanks to Snowden, particularly anybody that talks a lot about stuff the Government doesn't want us talking about. Whether it's the gov or FB or Google, I assume someone is listening in. When it's time for secure communication, I reach for something like Signal. Otherwise, I'll go for wha…

Bring listened to by the government is very different from being psychologically manipulated by political parties.

Re: Nobody Trusts Facebook, Twitter Is a Hot Mess, What Is Snapchat Doing?

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Post by komali2 »

rohit2412 wrote: post #146
komali2 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are my emails and text messages not being tracked? My postcards? My telephone calls are definitely being listened to, we know that thanks to Snowden, particularly anybody that talks a lot about stuff the Government doesn't want us talking about. Whether it's the gov or FB or Google, I assume someone is listening in. When it's time for secure communication, I reach for something like Signal. Otherwise, I'll go for wha…

Bring listened to by the government is very different from being psychologically manipulated by political parties.

Right, but I think that's a separate issue than "...means that are not trying to track, tabulate, and sell you and your personal information to the highest bidder."

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Post by marichards »

Maro wrote: post #64

Based on my brief time at FB (in 2016-2017), FB is not evil. MZ is trying to do the right thing, overall. Using this as a major piece of positioning/propaganda is not going to work for Spiegel. Also, if they ever want to make money, they'll be playing the exact same game as FB. That's going to be tough, as by now Snapchat is just a feature (of FB). Also, I can tell you, FB employees are laser focused on executing and…

Facebook is evil. Obviously, the "devil" is evil, but is his finger? Is his kneecap? Is his moment eating lunch? We don't judge an entity as evil or not because all components are not evil, we judge it based on its broad activity. Much of the devil's components might not know how evil what's in his head is.

Facebook created a social network, great, but it used it as a mass surveillance system, without user consent, to spy on some of the most sensitive parts of people's lives. It spied on those who didn't even use the service. It helped those who'd harm society target those most vulnerable with lies. It offered discrimination as a service with audience targeting. It abused its monopoly. It threatened those that would reveal the truth with lawsuits. It corrupted the security of financial and health services online. It used it's audience for psychological experimentation and targeted their vulnerability to addiction. Facebook is evil, but much of what it and many of its employees do day to day may seem like nothing worse than flexing a knee.

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Post by justicezyx »

Maro wrote: post #64

Based on my brief time at FB (in 2016-2017), FB is not evil. MZ is trying to do the right thing, overall. Using this as a major piece of positioning/propaganda is not going to work for Spiegel. Also, if they ever want to make money, they'll be playing the exact same game as FB. That's going to be tough, as by now Snapchat is just a feature (of FB). Also, I can tell you, FB employees are laser focused on executing and…

I dont think you use the evil consistently in the message.

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Post by hart_russell »

newswriter99 wrote: post #5

Takes three paragraphs to get to the answer: Instagram stories. Snapschat is busy trying to remain relevant as Instagram one-ups it again and again. Other than teenagers using it to sext, Snapchat is largely useless compared to Insta.

That's quite a statement. I'm an active snapchat user, because the user interface is very streamlined. There's no cruft from over 24 hours ago on the platform.
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