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Re: Nobody Trusts Facebook, Twitter Is a Hot Mess, What Is Snapchat Doing?

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Post by Maro »

petra wrote: post #109
Maro wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a great time on FB/Messenger. It's a tool, it's up to everybody to use it in a way that is a net positive for them. I have friends/acquintances in 10+ cities, and it's a great way to keep in touch. As you mention, this "way" is very different then if we would meet in person, but that is out of the question, as we are separated by 1,000 - 10,000 km. The alternative, on average, is not to hear anything about the…

Ideally, we will connect to far away people using tv size video conferencing , that enables eye-contact and the viewing of full body langauge - maybe creating something similar to the emotional experience of meeting people(according to research). And the tech is here , just a bit expensive. But instead we use a tool,text, that creates very little emotional connection(according to research), addicts people in all sort…

Like FB's Oculus? :)

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Post by aaroninsf »

chrischen wrote: post #112
Maro wrote: post #64

Based on my brief time at FB (in 2016-2017), FB is not evil. MZ is trying to do the right thing, overall. Using this as a major piece of positioning/propaganda is not going to work for Spiegel. Also, if they ever want to make money, they'll be playing the exact same game as FB. That's going to be tough, as by now Snapchat is just a feature (of FB). Also, I can tell you, FB employees are laser focused on executing and…

Nobody will tell you straight up they are evil. It’s the things they do, that they may not even be aware of. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/08/22/facebook-removing-onavo...

This. Many of Zuckerberg's public statements, which are presumably largely considered and vetted, display a profound (I would say willful) naivety–political, social, psychological.

The presumption that it's "just business" and that the culture at large should if it wants different behavior change the rules is going to prove the epitaph of this generation of "technology" companies.

The sad part is that absent internal regulation and correction, the inevitable result will be regulatory backlash and the quelling of the next generations' wiser efforts.

It's already well underway in the EU. Once the traitors are out and with them that -sshat Pai is gone, you can expect a time of reckoning cum payback and there is no more obvious shiny target than Facebook.

The unrelenting drip of scandals, married to tin-eared and hollow-sounding reassurances, is building up quite the pyre.

Aside: a close family member who had personal access to MZ quit recently. Their take is quite different: at the executive level, many people know exactly what they're doing and why it's unethical shading into illegal.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

derefr wrote: post #101
codegoblins wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only there were other ways to send messages to people over the internet

It's the discovery mechanism that's unique to Facebook. Other messaging services: tell someone your username on it (when you ever happen to run into them again, I guess.) Facebook Messenger: search for their name on Facebook, find the one with the right profile picture, hit "send message." Facebook is the modern-day White Pages, except for the entire planet. And that's the part that makes it so hard to "quit Facebook…

Heh, you've given me a great idea for a weekend project (a free directory where you can put your info in, and you'll show up in Google search results). Think Gravatar, but for all of your contact info.

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Post by gowld »

Maro wrote: post #64

Based on my brief time at FB (in 2016-2017), FB is not evil. MZ is trying to do the right thing, overall. Using this as a major piece of positioning/propaganda is not going to work for Spiegel. Also, if they ever want to make money, they'll be playing the exact same game as FB. That's going to be tough, as by now Snapchat is just a feature (of FB). Also, I can tell you, FB employees are laser focused on executing and…

I don't think that what MZ thinks is the right thing is the right thing. That's what evil means.

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Post by gowld »

phobosdeimos wrote: post #27

Nobody trusts this sector. Was the same for doctors a hundred years ago. Now doctors take an oath and lose their license if they are caught doing something unethical. Maybe the tech sector will get there one day too. Until then assume hostility.

You need comically gross negligence/criminality to lose your license as a doctor. Stuff like making dance videos during surgery, or raping a dozen patients, or smuggling $1M worth of drugs.

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Post by rahoulb »

Maro wrote: post #80
barrkel wrote: post #76

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You know, capitalist food producers don't need to be evil. All they need do is keep tuning their food, and a blind process of optimization will lead to addictive foods that people eat until they're obese, because that's what maximizes profits for the food industry. It's not much different for Facebook. A blind process of engagement and relevance optimization leads to a more addictive product that steals more and more…

People are in charge of their own diet. People are in charge of their own time, how they spend it, on the Internet or offline. Blaming big corporations and capitalism is a sorry excuse for making bad decisions.

If people had perfect information and were rational.

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Post by pcpcpc »

Benjammer wrote: post #106
Analemma_ wrote: post #35

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Everything I've read about Evan Spiegel indicates that he's really cargo-culting trying to be Steve Jobs, with no real understanding of why Jobs was successful.

>“Why would I go around the company and just chat with people? Like that would be so awkward” He sounds like a 17 year old, not necessarily that he has no idea what he's doing, imo. Just seems super immature a lot of the time.

full quote: "I had a pretty serious Christian upbringing. I remember growing up I was taught to be small, be a turtle,” he says. “I remember thinking, Why would I go around the company and just chat with people? Like that would be so awkward. Now I go walk around the office and get a ton of emails like, ‘Oh, my God, that was awesome you came by.’ ”

but bloomberg did only highlight the bit you quoted and put it several paragraphs above the full quote...

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Post by parliament32 »

captainbland wrote: post #26

Mastodon is growing on me. These big ol' VC driven social media giants are all overgrown and the cracks are showing. With mastodon, if one instance screws up, just go to another and still contact friends. I can even choose an instance with the economic and decision making model of my choosing, or run one myself and just engage with the federation on my own terms.

>just go to another

Does Mastadon have a way to migrate your posts/followers/etc from one instance to another?

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Post by petra »

Maro wrote: post #121
petra wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ideally, we will connect to far away people using tv size video conferencing , that enables eye-contact and the viewing of full body langauge - maybe creating something similar to the emotional experience of meeting people(according to research). And the tech is here , just a bit expensive. But instead we use a tool,text, that creates very little emotional connection(according to research), addicts people in all sort…

Like FB's Oculus? :)

We don't know how Oculus will turn out to be - it may be a very isolating and addicting technology.

And there's no need for VR - high quality video conferecing does the job.

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Post by paulie_a »

Maro wrote: post #81
samstave wrote: post #73

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The correct phrase, IMO, would be "cumulative shadiness" for FB... Individually, and within groups, the work of the employees and teams at FB is nothing short of amazing (and apple, google, etc)... cumulatively though? The nature of these companies are not in the best interests of individual users, and when looked at the power and impact the company as a whole has over any individual in specific, is pretty obviously…

I have a great time on FB/Messenger. It's a tool, it's up to everybody to use it in a way that is a net positive for them. I have friends/acquintances in 10+ cities, and it's a great way to keep in touch. As you mention, this "way" is very different then if we would meet in person, but that is out of the question, as we are separated by 1,000 - 10,000 km. The alternative, on average, is not to hear anything about the…

First of all Facebook messenger is an ugly app on mobile. Second the dark pattern of always having 1 unread messages even though I have literally deleted all my conversations is obnoxious.
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