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China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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dang wrote: post #129
seibelj wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have personal and philosophical reasons for being anti socialist and anti communist. I have family that has been killed because of people supporting government actions, like China in the linked article, where they imprison and murder innocent people. I will try to be less inflammatory in the future, but I believe in western ideals. I think watering down criticism of authoritian regimes is a bit rich coming from a w…

I respect your story, as well as those of the many other people on this site whose families have been through unspeakable trauma. Nobody's asking you to "water down" criticism. On the contrary, we're asking people to make more informative comments, instead of just posting empty rhetoric. Generic ideological comments and denunciations of entire countries are examples of empty, fiery rhetoric that we don't want on HN.…

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dang wrote: post #129
seibelj wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have personal and philosophical reasons for being anti socialist and anti communist. I have family that has been killed because of people supporting government actions, like China in the linked article, where they imprison and murder innocent people. I will try to be less inflammatory in the future, but I believe in western ideals. I think watering down criticism of authoritian regimes is a bit rich coming from a w…

I respect your story, as well as those of the many other people on this site whose families have been through unspeakable trauma. Nobody's asking you to "water down" criticism. On the contrary, we're asking people to make more informative comments, instead of just posting empty rhetoric. Generic ideological comments and denunciations of entire countries are examples of empty, fiery rhetoric that we don't want on HN.…

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Post by eahman08 »

ptenk wrote: post #82

The sinophobia in these comments always makes me uncomfortable because it’s usually underlied with overall anti-Asian sentiment. It reminds me that I don’t belong in America, we still live in a white world.

I don't see any anti-Asian sentiment in any of these comments (everything is directed at the current Chinese government) and yes, the West is a white world, whether you like it or not.

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Post by Fjolsvith »

samstave wrote: post #91
clamprecht wrote: post #90

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My question (as an American) is: what ugly thing happened in the US that most of us don't know about?

Firebombing of Japan Bombing the shit out of Laos Massive numbers killed in the CIA operations overthrowing governments in South America The duplicitous and two-faced foreign policies which fund genocides and killings all over the globe while we try to put on some good face about making the world a better more democratic place Selling arms to murderous regimes who torture and kill as we turn a blind eye to profits Re…

> The extent at which Native Americans were murdered

This is the only one you gave that actually was committed against Americans in the US.

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Post by chillacy »

pitaj wrote: post #33
amaccuish wrote: post #25

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The undertone of your post seems to be that you can't possibly have authoritarian capitalism, which of course, is not true...

It's a matter of definitions. For many, capitalism means "free market economy". Under that case, authoritarianism is indeed fundamentally opposed to capitalism. If you define capitalism as just "private ownership of the means of production", then sure, you can be authoritarian and capitalist.

Better to be more specific and mention Laissez-faire capitalism

> Capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.

> Economists, political economists, sociologists and historians have adopted different perspectives in their analyses of capitalism and have recognized various forms of it in practice. These include laissez-faire or free market capitalism, welfare capitalism and state

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

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Post by lotu »

betterworldb wrote: post #138

Why not just call them concentration camps?

The term concentration camps referse to any camps where you rounded up a bunch of all people belonging to some group with no due process, and typically including whole families (this is what distinguishes them from prison). By this definition they are concentration camps, as are the camps used by the US when they rounded up the Japanese americans and several other instances going back to the 1800's.

However in the eyes of most people concentration camp refers to the extermination camps where the Nazis systematically kill everyone who was brought into them. I think most people feel that it is important to distinguish between camps that lock people up without recourse, and camps and kill people. That is why we aren't referring to them as concentration camps. If you call them concentration camps people expect that means systematic mass murder, when they realize that is not what is happening you loose credibility and those people end up ignoring the real human rights crisis.

To be more precise under today's usage concentration camps include both the extermination camps, and internment camps. Internment camps is a more precise definition of what this is.

Also I think unfortunately while that while their is wide expression of the belief that extermination camps are immoral and should not happen. I don't think there nearly the same expression around internment camps.

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Post by kerbalspacepro »

dang wrote: post #88
seibelj wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the future I will surround such criticism in more flowery language, I was too blunt.

Flowery is not what we're looking for. Thoughtful would be more like it.

China is a communist dictatorship where you can be arrested and possibly murdered for saying the wrong thing. This can happen in the interior and has even happened in places supposedly free from the terror of the Party, like in Hong Kong. This clearly shows that the Chinese do not have rights-based rule of law.

Given that it is a Communist Dictatorship and that it does not have rights-based rule of law, mass internment camps are not very surprising.

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