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Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by thatcat »

adventured wrote: post #7
mattigames wrote: post #5

An indirect reminder that now that YC China is a thing @sama and @paulg and any other affiliated will have to avoid saying anything negative about China in order to keep doing business there.

If YC China succeeds and becomes big there, it'll inevitably draw Chinese attention back to YC US including news.ycombinator.com. I would expect they'll have to begin blocking sensitive discussions on HN in the near future. The wave of one hand is all it takes to destroy YC China, because of one upsetting thread on HN getting back to authorities in China. If they plan to stay in bed with China and all that entails, i…

YC and HN are symbiotic. Much easier to just make YCChina and news.ycchina considering it won't be in English.

>They've barred far larger targets for far less than the discussions that go on here.

Can you give any example of China successfully censoring any large media companies outside of their own territory?

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by Rotdhizon »

Rotdhizon wrote: post #35
wemdyjreichert wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, no, no. Terrorism is a problem, but a very small minority of Muslims are terrorists. If I lived in China, I would be at least as violent. Concentration camps are terrible. I've spoken with people who lived in them. Don't ever support them or call them a "solution" to the "problem" of an ethnicity, religion, or culture. That's what the nazis did.

Not refuting your comment at all, but I just want to point out one thing. If even 1% of a population is bad, 1% of a billion is 10 million. 0.1% is still a million. That's an awful lot of bad people.

This getting downvoted is why HN can be a complete wreck sometimes. My statement has 0 political or religious inclusion, it's simply stating numbers. Sometimes people hate to see the truth.

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by TheForumTroll »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #29

I wonder how many pro-China green accounts, accounts used solely for anti-US sentiment, etc we will see commenting on this story. It seems the propaganda folks are turning more attention to HN. There were 3 at the time of this posting with the usual bothersiderisms, etc. One even went full "Sharia law in the US!"

Please don't try to make this into Reddit.

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by mrep »

marcelluspye wrote: post #39
JohnTHaller wrote: post #29

I wonder how many pro-China green accounts, accounts used solely for anti-US sentiment, etc we will see commenting on this story. It seems the propaganda folks are turning more attention to HN. There were 3 at the time of this posting with the usual bothersiderisms, etc. One even went full "Sharia law in the US!"

It's nice that the green name is there for easy screening, but eventually, that goes away. HN is still small enough that this kind of spam is easy to detect, but it may not always be that way. Botting/this type of spam on reddit has gotten increasingly sophisticated over the years, and some of the things the people implementing that stuff have learned there would work pretty well on HN too.

The green name goes away but if you aren't very active, you will then get automatically shadowbanned. I had a second account which I used to disclose specific things about the company I worked at but when I tried to reuse it after a while, all my posts went immediately to dead.

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by arcticbull »

Rotdhizon wrote: post #103
Rotdhizon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not refuting your comment at all, but I just want to point out one thing. If even 1% of a population is bad, 1% of a billion is 10 million. 0.1% is still a million. That's an awful lot of bad people.

This getting downvoted is why HN can be a complete wreck sometimes. My statement has 0 political or religious inclusion, it's simply stating numbers. Sometimes people hate to see the truth.

No, you're getting downvotes from me at least for 'if even 1% of people are terrorists' - great, citation needed. I have zero evidence that 1% of any population are terrorists. This is the stupid Don Jr. 'what if a bowl of skittles had some poisoned skittles would you still eat skittles' line. Without data on percentage of terrorists in the general population it's meaningless. Further, abusive, hardline policies tend to generate more discontent and ill will within a group leading to yet more terrorists. You take a marginal family (one that's not radical but in a region with radicals) and your oppressing power kills off half that family or sends them to the camps because 'terrorism in the area, 1% whatever' I'd imagine you've just radicalized half the city.

You're getting downvotes specifically because you have simplified a complex issue down to a root that doesn't line up with our decades of experience with terrorism in the middle east using numbers you made up.

This isn't a YouTube comment section.

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by [deleted] »

arcticbull wrote: post #106
Rotdhizon wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This getting downvoted is why HN can be a complete wreck sometimes. My statement has 0 political or religious inclusion, it's simply stating numbers. Sometimes people hate to see the truth.

No, you're getting downvotes from me at least for 'if even 1% of people are terrorists' - great, citation needed. I have zero evidence that 1% of any population are terrorists. This is the stupid Don Jr. 'what if a bowl of skittles had some poisoned skittles would you still eat skittles' line. Without data on percentage of terrorists in the general population it's meaningless. Further, abusive, hardline policies tend…

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Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by Markoff »

0x4f3759df wrote: post #6
wiradikusuma wrote: post #4

The question is, how did the Chinese immigration know? for each applicant do select count(*) from people_who_pissed_us where social_username = applicant.fb.username?

One infers their systems are highly integrated (tax/crime/social/banking/education/gps all unified)

not that integrated, as matter of fact until last few years and maybe still even nowadays labor bureau database was not linked to Visa EEB database, so i could get work permit on invalid visa although they should be strictly linked

i guess they are quite thorough only when it comes down to dissent (though my wife in gov job hit immediately career ceiling after marrying me and everyone around her even newcomers kept growing except her, sure just coincidence /s and we both can't still really publicly say what we want because she has there parents and rest of family)

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by Markoff »

busterarm wrote: post #16
reustle wrote: post #2

Is this surprising at all?

Seriously. What did she think was going to happen? She's lucky they were nice enough to wait out the rest of her visa instead of revoking it and deporting her on the spot. Shrewd move on their part for that, btw. If she was a citizen they would have just disappeared or killed her.

they don't kill for stuff like this anymore, more likely regular prison, but she is lucky to be foreigner, so they could just restrict her traveling rights to Xinjiang and wait until her visa run out
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