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Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’

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Re: Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’

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Post by justonepost »

Ok, this doesn't make sense. Maybe APPL, but there is no way Google is that dependent on app store fees.

"If app store commissions fell to a blended rate of 5 percent to 15 percent, that would knock up to 21 percent off Apple’s earnings, before interest and tax, by fiscal 2020, Macquarie estimated. Google could lose up to 20 percent by the same measure, according to the brokerage firm. The technology giants are expected to earn more than $50 billion each, before interest and tax, in 2020, according to analyst forecast data compiled by Bloomberg.

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Post by drb91 »

consto wrote: post #256
baby wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good chinese restaurants in London (like my old place) end up having less than 4 stars because of service. I find that raging since the food is the only thing that should matter.

Maybe people are over critical but the service and experience of a meal is not to be ignored. I'm sure you would agree that if they literally threw the food at you it wouldn't deserve a rating regardless of the food.

Rating the food, or rating the service? Rating them together is nonsensical.

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Post by knightofmars »

eisa01 wrote: post #258
baby wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good chinese restaurants in London (like my old place) end up having less than 4 stars because of service. I find that raging since the food is the only thing that should matter.

Why should only the food matter? If I have to wait one hour to get the food, that is detrimental to the experience in my opinion

People eat at restaurants for different reasons. Even if my food took an hour if the quality was high enough then I would be happy. That's part of what's missing, having a single score for all types of diners doesn't makes sense.

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Post by knightofmars »

rashomon wrote: post #255
imgabe wrote: post #197

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Yeah, the way Uber ratings work it seems like there are only two ratings: "I had an acceptable experience" or "This person should lose their job".

It's the same for restaurants in low-volume areas. That under-4-star death knell is a killer for sales. On the other hand, I love perusing those 3-star restaurants as I find so many hidden gems covered in the tears of LLC owners and bored hostesses. If I were a lesser man, I totally am, I would write a book concerning that social theory called the Star Divide.

I'd read that book.

Re: Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’

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Post by DmenshunlAnlsis »

Steko wrote: post #65
ObsoleteNerd wrote: post #10

Doesn't Valve take 30% from games on Steam? But they're complaining Apple taking 30% is too much? I also don't really think the Apple/Google fee is that unreasonable. Considering the resources, tools, marketplaces, tutorials, payment processing, all the other All dev stuff they provide in general. Yes if your app goes big, they make a lot of money. But for every big app there's something like 9 that fail completely (…

People keep saying Apple adds no value but bringing millions of paying customers and a trusted storefront does in fact have lots of value for most apps. This is exactly the value Steam brings on PC. Being locked down or not is a red herring to the value argument, people sell on Steam because of simple math: the millions of additional paying customers outweighs the commission Valve demands.

Being locked down is the source of the value on many cases. Being locked down and curated means that when someone looks for an app they find that app, and not that app and a dozen lookalikes with similar names, half of which are outright malware. Being locked down and curated means that stuff just works and does so predictably, and will continue to work.

That’s the value add IMO, not the aluminum case, the Apple logo, or anything else. A locked garden isn’t perfect, but it’s better than an open sewer.

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Post by scarface74 »

cptaj wrote: post #135

And they should. We are fast approaching a world where all markets are walled-in by a few international companies. I've had clients of mine go under because Amazon decided to close their accounts and they depend on the platform to sell their wares. Imagine how hard it is to sell stuff online if you're barred from ebay and amazon... and there is no legal recourse to appeal those bans. Same goes for app stores, what ha…

Most non game apps shouldn't be apps. They should be web pages. It would be faster development and you wouldn't be dependent on the app stores.

A torrent remote app would never be allowed on the IOS app store, but going to https://remote.vuze.com and pairing your Vuze app can't be banned....

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Post by elboru »

michaelchisari wrote: post #231
damon_c wrote: post #209

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My GF and I recently moved from NYC to Los Angeles and an Uber driver once asked her "Are you from NY?", "Yes, why?", "Because your rating is so low and people from NYC usually have really low ratings." We checked her rating and it's 4.5 or so. But it's funny, she looks like a deadbeat here because of more discerning/critical NYC Uber drivers who gave her 4 stars 50% of the time.

Los Angeles has serious grade inflation across the board wrt social ratings. Their yelp reviews are completely unreliable, everything is 4 or 5 stars. I'm used to Chicago where even a great restaurant can have 3 stars because everyone is so picky, and the 4 or 5 stars are reserved for the truly extraordinary.

Well then the opposite will be true, 2 or 3 stars will mean the place is really bad.

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Post by scarface74 »

WilliamEdward wrote: post #47
bangonkeyboard wrote: post #33

"App Store fees got you down? Meanwhile at Epic, they lowered their take on the Unreal Marketplace from 30% to 12% and retroactively paid back years of fees. "Epic said this is due to the success of Fortnite. If only Apple and Google had successful products to rely on for income." — https://twitter.com/agilethumbs/status/1029804861477412865

I really like that. I think the first thing people should do when making a startup is finding a consistent revenue stream and business model. Most companies are actually more about the model than the idea. Hell, even Nike only makes about 6% of profit on their $100 shoes. They can do this because they have a consistent and reliable business model (aka not advertisement income). It's not even the shoes anymore. it's t…

Just to provide a reference on the $6/Nike shoes, because I didn't believe it....

https://solecollector.com/news/2014/12/how-much-it-costs-nik...

Re: Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’

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Post by elboru »

drb91 wrote: post #262
consto wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe people are over critical but the service and experience of a meal is not to be ignored. I'm sure you would agree that if they literally threw the food at you it wouldn't deserve a rating regardless of the food.

Rating the food, or rating the service? Rating them together is nonsensical.

That’s something I like about Airbnb, it will give you different categories to rate
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