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Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by joefranklinsrs »

curiousgal wrote: post #69
justinzollars wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Miss out in the future number one market on earth or stand up for human rights? Certainly a scary future.

> stand up for human rights Can we all just get off our high horse? We literally have concentration camps at our borders and have bombed hundreds of civilians. We don't get to claim the moral high ground.

Not everyone is from US, miss. Most people from other countries sees a concentration camp for what it is, a concentration camp. Some have parents or relatives that lived (or died) through those camps.

And I wouldn't dare compare US's detention center for illegal immigrants with the camp for millions of people detained without violating any laws. For instance, most countries have detention centers for illegal immigrants.

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by fspeech »

adventured wrote: post #58
ryandrake wrote: post #36

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> future number one market on earth Is there an example of a western brand that has yet gained significant traction in China? My understanding is that unless you are a Chinese company, your chances of competing in this “number one” market are slim. Businesses obsess at the population numbers but ignore the reality.

The trick isn't whether these brands can access China, it's in what manner. Western brands sell very well in China, who gets the proceeds is the issue. The big European luxury goods brands are doing a wild business in China. [1][2][3][4] If you want to make a lot of money on China as a foreigner, you want to be selling a luxury brand product rather than offering a local service (eg fast food chain). That might be an…

Disney's partner is the Shanghai government, not Wang. And the partnership was many years in the making. Wang only made his boast after the park openned, to draw attention to his own properties.

KFC and McD owned Chinese franchises for decades before spinning them out for financial reasons.

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by InitialLastName »

TimothyBJacobs wrote: post #64
InitialLastName wrote: post #56

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I can understand calling Buzzfeed clickbait; "XX Best ways to N: number 6 will blow your mind" used to be their bread and butter. Even now, the #2 story on their website is "29 things that'll genuinely make people say 'OMG I love your outfit'". It took me a long time after their move towards occasionally funding "real" journalism before I was willing to even click a link to their URL.

Buzzfeed clickbait is not the same as Buzzfeed News.

Sure, but even looking at the two sites now I'm not sure I can see much difference in content quality.

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by burkaman »

curiousgal wrote: post #69
justinzollars wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Miss out in the future number one market on earth or stand up for human rights? Certainly a scary future.

> stand up for human rights Can we all just get off our high horse? We literally have concentration camps at our borders and have bombed hundreds of civilians. We don't get to claim the moral high ground.

Yes, opposing those things should also be part of standing up for human rights.

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by oathbreaker »

danso wrote: post #22
oathbreaker wrote: post #12

Why is this even a news on HN ? All governments including USA denies visa to foreigners for political reasons. I remember USA denying visa to an Indian chief minister in past because of lobbying by evangelists and Islamist. It might come as a surprise by American journalists are not entitled for a visa from China and I wish more countries would crackdown on click-bate rags like Buzzfeed.

Foreign journalists based in China write critical stories about China on a regular basis. It's a bit bizarre to me why you're calling Buzzfeed a "click-bate [sic]" rag when we're talking about a journalist who had just published an investigative story about the Chinese police state involving Uyghurs.

> Foreign journalists based in China write critical stories about China on a regular basis.

So what ? They are not entitled to a Chinese visa.

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by philwelch »

joefranklinsrs wrote: post #60
justinzollars wrote: post #15

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Miss out in the future number one market on earth or stand up for human rights? Certainly a scary future.

> future number one market That's highly unlikely given the current state, as US consumer is is about 1/3 of the world's household consumption https://www.selectusa.gov/largest-market , and is growing 3% this quarter. China has alot of debt problems, and will suffer heavily in a trade war. About 45% of Chinese GDP is in 'investment', where probably half is waste (continued state investments into expensive-to-maintain…

> China has alot of debt problems, and will suffer heavily in a trade war. About 45% of Chinese GDP is in 'investment', where probably half is waste (continued state investments into expensive-to-maintain, rarely used rails, bridge, and buildings). Whereas for a developed country like US, it's about 20% investment (70% in consumption).

This seems like almost the reverse of the conclusion you're trying to support. Investments in development and infrastructure are a good mechanism for long-term economic growth, and it's not clear that a trade war will hurt China worse than it hurts the US.

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by curiousgal »

joefranklinsrs wrote: post #71
curiousgal wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> stand up for human rights Can we all just get off our high horse? We literally have concentration camps at our borders and have bombed hundreds of civilians. We don't get to claim the moral high ground.

Not everyone is from US, miss. Most people from other countries sees a concentration camp for what it is, a concentration camp. Some have parents or relatives that lived (or died) through those camps. And I wouldn't dare compare US's detention center for illegal immigrants with the camp for millions of people detained without violating any laws. For instance, most countries have detention centers for illegal immigran…

I understand that not everyone is an American but YC is an American company, hence the hypocrisy of only calling out YC China when the U.S. is also complacent about human right violations, which is the point I was trying to make.

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by kardos »

chrischen wrote: post #59
0x4f3759df wrote: post #6

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One infers their systems are highly integrated (tax/crime/social/banking/education/gps all unified)

It's actually quite surprising how un-integrated US government agencies and systems are.

It's not a bug, it's a feature

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by joefranklinsrs »

philwelch wrote: post #76
joefranklinsrs wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> future number one market That's highly unlikely given the current state, as US consumer is is about 1/3 of the world's household consumption https://www.selectusa.gov/largest-market , and is growing 3% this quarter. China has alot of debt problems, and will suffer heavily in a trade war. About 45% of Chinese GDP is in 'investment', where probably half is waste (continued state investments into expensive-to-maintain…

> China has alot of debt problems, and will suffer heavily in a trade war. About 45% of Chinese GDP is in 'investment', where probably half is waste (continued state investments into expensive-to-maintain, rarely used rails, bridge, and buildings). Whereas for a developed country like US, it's about 20% investment (70% in consumption). This seems like almost the reverse of the conclusion you're trying to support. Inv…

> Investments in development and infrastructure are a good mechanism for long-term economic growth

That's true up to a point where the infrastructure is facilitating economic movements and transactions. China has already gone past that point to where they are building infrastructure for the sake of building infrastructure, not considering whether those rails and buildings will produce enough income to support maintenance in the next 5-10 years. There is such a thing as diminishing rate of returns (otherwise every economy would just keep building infrastructures forever) Currently, for every yuan Chinese government directly spends, it now only gets 1 yuan of return back, and it is declining.

As for the trade war, I think it is pretty evident who is winning, I won't go too much details into it; you can google every data around the aftermath of the tariffs.

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Post by 0x8BADF00D »

kardos wrote: post #78
chrischen wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually quite surprising how un-integrated US government agencies and systems are.

It's not a bug, it's a feature

Decentralization is what most of the founding fathers wished for. It is indeed a feature, and one we must all be vigilant of.
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