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Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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1. Muslims come to the US 2. Progressives embrace them 3. Muslims slowly acquire voting majority in specific regions 4. Muslims start implementing Sharia Law (aka religious law) in the US due to the number of voters and democratic voting principles of the US. 5. Progressives will complain about their slow loss of rights, but can't do anything about it. 6. The US becomes an Islam-controlled territory. That's the probl…

Something like this has probably been said at least once about every group of immigrants in the history of the United States. As far as I know the only time it ever became true was when white people displaced the Indians.

There was that time a bunch of Californians move to Colorado and turned the place into California Lite (TM).

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Miss out in the future number one market on earth or stand up for human rights? Certainly a scary future.

> future number one market on earth Is there an example of a western brand that has yet gained significant traction in China? My understanding is that unless you are a Chinese company, your chances of competing in this “number one” market are slim. Businesses obsess at the population numbers but ignore the reality.

Apple

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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I found an interesting paragraph in the article [1] from Buzzfeed:

"But critics say [positive gestures from China towards Uighur] are overshadowed by the government’s more repressive measures, which have fueled the propaganda of a small number of extremists, including the Turkestan Islamic Party (TIP), a radical Uighur militant group, some of whose adherents are believed to have been active in Syria and Afghanistan. According to a translation by the Middle East Media Research Institute, TIP released an issue of its online magazine on Aug. 29, calling for its fighters in Syria to prepare for future battle against the Chinese state in East Turkestan, a name many Uighurs use to refer to Xinjiang.".

The last sentence there struck me as unusual given what that implies: [2]

"The medieval Persian toponym "Turkestan" and its derivatives were not used by the local population of the greater region, and China had its own name for an overlapping area since the Han Dynasty as Xiyu, with the parts controlled by China termed Xinjiang from the 18th century onward. The historical Uyghur name for the Tarim Basin is Altishahr, which means "six cities" in Uyghur.

Starting in the 20th century, Uyghur separatists and their supporters used East Turkestan (or "Uyghurstan") as an appellation for the whole of Xinjiang, or for a future independent state in present-day Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (presumably with Ürümqi as its capital). They reject the name of Xinjiang because of an allegedly Chinese perspective reflected in the name and prefer East Turkestan to emphasize connection to other westerly Turkic groups. However, even in nationalist writing, East Turkestan retained its older, more narrow geographical meaning. In China, the term has negative connotations because of its origins in European colonialism and present use by militant groups."

[1] - https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/the-police-stat...

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Turkestan

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Miss out in the future number one market on earth or stand up for human rights? Certainly a scary future.

> future number one market on earth Is there an example of a western brand that has yet gained significant traction in China? My understanding is that unless you are a Chinese company, your chances of competing in this “number one” market are slim. Businesses obsess at the population numbers but ignore the reality.

There are over 5,000 KFC locations in China

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Miss out in the future number one market on earth or stand up for human rights? Certainly a scary future.

> future number one market on earth Is there an example of a western brand that has yet gained significant traction in China? My understanding is that unless you are a Chinese company, your chances of competing in this “number one” market are slim. Businesses obsess at the population numbers but ignore the reality.

Buick, oddly enough.

https://www.google.com/search?q=buick+china+popularity&oq=bu...

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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If YC China succeeds and becomes big there, it'll inevitably draw Chinese attention back to YC US including news.ycombinator.com. I would expect they'll have to begin blocking sensitive discussions on HN in the near future. The wave of one hand is all it takes to destroy YC China, because of one upsetting thread on HN getting back to authorities in China. If they plan to stay in bed with China and all that entails, i…

HN is already blocked. Funny, right?

Where? Over the last 2 years I visited HN from China almost daily without any issues. I'm no longer there, but this test seems to indicate that HN is not blocked: https://viewdns.info/chinesefirewall/?domain=news.ycombinato...

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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If YC China succeeds and becomes big there, it'll inevitably draw Chinese attention back to YC US including news.ycombinator.com. I would expect they'll have to begin blocking sensitive discussions on HN in the near future. The wave of one hand is all it takes to destroy YC China, because of one upsetting thread on HN getting back to authorities in China. If they plan to stay in bed with China and all that entails, i…

HN is already blocked. Funny, right?

HN isn't blocked in China

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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No, no, no. Terrorism is a problem, but a very small minority of Muslims are terrorists. If I lived in China, I would be at least as violent. Concentration camps are terrible. I've spoken with people who lived in them. Don't ever support them or call them a "solution" to the "problem" of an ethnicity, religion, or culture. That's what the nazis did.

Not refuting your comment at all, but I just want to point out one thing. If even 1% of a population is bad, 1% of a billion is 10 million. 0.1% is still a million. That's an awful lot of bad people.

Sure, but if you're talking about bad people in general (i.e. violent criminals), immigrants as a group commit far fewer violent crimes than the rest of the population. There are an awful lot of bad white, Christian people too.

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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It's not that hard. When you apply for a visa you must state if you're a journalist or not. After that, a quick Google should suffice, especially if the articles written by her became popular.

What constitutes journalism? I remember in the mid-2000s that online-journalists whose sites had millions of impressions per month were denied journalism visas because they weren’t traditional established print newspapers - then there was a debate about the difference between a blogger and a journalist. I’d like to know if a non-journalist who maintained a very popular blog, such as an influential software engineer,…

> I’d like to know if a non-journalist who maintained a very popular blog, such as an influential software engineer, who occasionally blogs about political or topical stories, constitutes a journalist or not.

A good question. Consider also that a blogger, lacking an influential institution such as Buzzfeed or the NYT at their back, may find themselves in much deeper trouble than a denied visa. Arrest, prison, espionage charges, etc. have happened to foreigners, including televised confessions:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/22/world/asia/china-confessi...

Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown

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Something like this has probably been said at least once about every group of immigrants in the history of the United States. As far as I know the only time it ever became true was when white people displaced the Indians.

There was that time a bunch of Californians move to Colorado and turned the place into California Lite (TM).

@dang, remember I said there is collective here mercilessly killing wrongthink in threads? Marking as "flagged"? Exhibit A.
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