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Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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"Lyons said she soon realized that many people were reporting posts as false simply because they did not agree with the content." Well, yes. Have they not learned from any of the preceding work on moderating?

I had friends that gleefully boasted about marking anything from Fox News as "false news story." They didn't understand that they really weren't helping the situation at all.

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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I think the use of "trustworthiness" is misleading. Really it's more "how likely is this person to accurately flag an article that matches Facebook's internal definition of fake news." That would mean that your number would be on the lower end, but that's not a reflection of your character. More likely it just means that whatever queue is set up for review will wait until more and higher-scoring individuals also flag…

Well said, and I agree completely about this story. There's still an aspect of this with which I'm unsatisfied, however. What's the character of leadership who would address misuse of the feature by devising weights intended to devalue the opinions of large swaths of their engaged user base? Significant numbers of people are expressing a sentiment through their alleged abuse of the feature, and instead of trying to c…

By using "significant numbers" alone, you're vulnerable to coordinated information suppression efforts (by state actors, for example).

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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> Because Facebook forwards posts that are marked as false to third-party fact-checkers, she said it was important to build systems to assess whether the posts were likely to be false to make efficient use of fact-checkers’ time. This seems like a "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" kind of thing. On one hand, I understand not wanting to forward every single story when a troll is mass-reporting, on the o…

Good intentions? I would even argue against that. I find it hard to believe facebook has good intentions with this. Remember, Mr. Zuckerberg is alleged to have called Mr. Trump the night of the election to congratulate him. Let’s stop pretending like the tech industry is full of good intentioned people making an “oops”

Please keep partisan flamebait and political battle off HN. It's not what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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Good intentions? I would even argue against that. I find it hard to believe facebook has good intentions with this. Remember, Mr. Zuckerberg is alleged to have called Mr. Trump the night of the election to congratulate him. Let’s stop pretending like the tech industry is full of good intentioned people making an “oops”

Please keep partisan flamebait and political battle off HN. It's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

In the times we are in, one cannot separate politics from tech, have to really reconsider whether to continue using HN since I strongly believe we in the tech community should have more not less discussion about such issues.

Why can't HN be a place were we nerd out over new frameworks but engage in partisan political discussion over the impact of what we build?

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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post #173

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Please keep partisan flamebait and political battle off HN. It's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

In the times we are in, one cannot separate politics from tech, have to really reconsider whether to continue using HN since I strongly believe we in the tech community should have more not less discussion about such issues. Why can't HN be a place were we nerd out over new frameworks but engage in partisan political discussion over the impact of what we build?

logged out, deleted my phone app and removed HN bookmarks from browsers.

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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I worked for FB anti-spam team, and believe me, nobody trusted user feedback absolutely (i.e. it's good to send to review, but not automatically take down). I guess that with fake news the signal to noise ratio is even worse. The whole article sounds more like focusing on one implementation details of review queue prioritization (i.e. what is the difference of definition of "fake news" for this user vs Facebook's def…

To me, fake news also includes slanted coverage of true events (i.e. covering events in such a way as to convey a sponsored message, biased polling methodology, etc.). That encompasses statistically approaching 100% of trashy sources you’re likely to encounter as 'sponsored content', as well as a healthy portion of more established sources' content. I'd be likely to report a majority as fake news in perfectly good fa…

Its going to be very difficult to report news without any bias.

I subscribed to a lot of contradictory crap on facebook after hearing about their data mining (Fox News plus Huffington Post, Obama as well as Trump). Its actually a lot more interesting seeing how both sides try to manipulate the truth.

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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Well said, and I agree completely about this story. There's still an aspect of this with which I'm unsatisfied, however. What's the character of leadership who would address misuse of the feature by devising weights intended to devalue the opinions of large swaths of their engaged user base? Significant numbers of people are expressing a sentiment through their alleged abuse of the feature, and instead of trying to c…

By using "significant numbers" alone, you're vulnerable to coordinated information suppression efforts (by state actors, for example).

Certainly there are more than bad faith actors abusing the feature, which could be separated out through changes to the interface.

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

#179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the use of "trustworthiness" is misleading. Really it's more "how likely is this person to accurately flag an article that matches Facebook's internal definition of fake news." That would mean that your number would be on the lower end, but that's not a reflection of your character. More likely it just means that whatever queue is set up for review will wait until more and higher-scoring individuals also flag…

Well said, and I agree completely about this story. There's still an aspect of this with which I'm unsatisfied, however. What's the character of leadership who would address misuse of the feature by devising weights intended to devalue the opinions of large swaths of their engaged user base? Significant numbers of people are expressing a sentiment through their alleged abuse of the feature, and instead of trying to c…

I think it boils down to regulation of AI. Only the EU seems to be challenging Silicon Valley with actual penalties and laws to keep them a bit more straight. Why can't the U.S. regulate their own companies?

Re: Facebook is rating the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to one

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By "agree with the content", the author clearly doesn't means "believe that the content is factually incorrect", rather that they disagree with the viewpoint expressed in the story.

And I'm certain a story that touches on any controversial issue would be more likely to get flagged as false, regardless of whether the content is factual.

I was just thinking the same thing.
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