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No, it's pretty warranted. The 100% I was referring to _was_ just for the clientside. To rewrite that natively (since today it's in js on Electron) is not going to take a couple of months with five engineers.
Does improving performance require a rewrite? Is this the best you can get from Electron?
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No, it's pretty warranted. The 100% I was referring to _was_ just for the clientside. To rewrite that natively (since today it's in js on Electron) is not going to take a couple of months with five engineers.
With a 7b valuation, I'm pretty sure they can hire some talented people, don't you? I agree it will take longer, but Slack owes it to their customers to hire people and put out a better product.
Even the most talented construction workers could not build the Empire State Building in a week. It's a little silly to think that these people are like magicians.
Have you looked at Slack's competitors? Slack is arguably the best chat app out there, especially with their UX and the quality of their integrations. It's so presumptious to then tut-tut them suggesting that they "owe their customers better". They're doing very well!
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No. Businesses whose success depend on network effects are not automatically Ponzi schemes.
Who said anything about network effects?
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I don't think it's entirely out of the realm of possibility that could be done, and a couple of months with five engineers was a conservative estimate. $375.000 for twice the devs or twice the number of months is still a shockingly low price to pay. Hell, throw a few million at it and I can't see why Slack can't be implemented natively on at least iOS, MacOS and Android (especially if parts can still fallback on webv…
It is entirely out of the realm of possibility. There is absolutely no way in hell that even ten engineers for a couple of months could replicate all of Slack's functionality. Even ten times that much would be a stretch. They could maybe make a decent chat app prototype in that amount of time. If they are very talented, they might even be able to make a decent chat app MVP that would get some actual users, but there…
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Lets assume well paid developers of $150.000 yearly, 5 man for 3 months is less than $187.500 is wages. Lets be generous and say we double that to account for other expenses. It's $375.000 for a feature that will be a reasonable sales argument.
Slack pays much more than $150k.
If self-hosting is an option for you, I can highly recommend looking into Mattermost as an open source Slack replacement. We have been using it for the last 2 years and it has been working pretty much flawlessly for us. Upgrading it is really painless too, since it is just one Go binary that automatically applies DB migrations when it detects that you moved to a new version.
Interesting! How do you find Mattermost does in terms of integrations with GitHub etc? I see that there seems to be a bit of a community around it, but I wonder how stable / reliable / usable they are?
I don't know about other integrations, but I think most Slack integrations should work out of the box with Mattermost, since the data format is the same.
It's also easy to add your own webhooks to automatically post to a specific channel. We e.g. use this to announce deployments via Ansible, where the deploy script simply POSTs to that webhook what is being deployed and by whom.
[0] https://docs.mattermost.com/developer/webhooks-incoming.html...
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VS Code is an Electron app written by the $800B Microsoft. Maybe you've heard of them?
Yeh and don't look now but... its also becoming a bloated mess. Notepad++ is a native application and it blows vscode out of the water for speed. Though obviously it does not have ide-esque features of vscode. Furthermore, there is no paid version of VS Code, and if there were, and it ran like dogs ass, I would say the same thing. They need to put on their big boy pants and make a big boy native application.
for VScode, there's Visual Studio.
And VScode isn't slow by any stretch. It does take a bit of memory (as expected of an electron app). But it's well engineered, and has very little slow laggy UI parts.
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You can think a 5-person team can build highly performant native apps for a number of different platforms in a matter of months?
Start with Mac, find some good metrics that indicate that a lot of your users are on Mac and go from there. (parse your user agents for instance) Once it's proven itself, you can try Windows and some other options as needed (probably mobile).
We're talking about a chat application for diverse corporate teams. If you don't have native apps for Windows/MacOS/Android/iOS at the get-go then you've missed the boat.