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It's only $0.20/month/customer if you have 500 customers. If you have one customer, then it's $99/month/customer.
Good point, but if I were starting something that depended on recurring revenue, I wouldn't really begrudge $100/month to one of the most critical parts of the whole solution. Compare it to the $65/month I pay for a single Verizon Mifi data card, and it doesn't seem bad at all. Maybe you can't really look at per-user costs when you only have a handful of users. Everything looks badly distorted as you head up asymptot…
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#112Full disclosure: I run Spreedly, an earlier to market but much less funded competitor to Chargify. Here's the dirty little secret that Spreedly discovered about 18 months ago, and that I'm sure Chargify - like Recurly before them - has now found out for themselves: there are plenty of people who want to start subscription businesses, and out of those, the vast majority will not succeed and will actually end up costin…
Appreciate the thoughtful response and great to see a competitor growing in the space, brings everyone up.
I expect nothing less from people who get to touch my financial transactions, but it's still a pleasure to see.
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#113I'd much prefer a graduated system, with different overall price deltas for each subsection (Dev/Start/Grow/Max) per member.
For comparison:
The first customer costs you $100-$price,
The 501st customer costs you $250-$price,
The 2001st costs you $650-$price
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#114We made a mistake with how we implemented and communicated a massive price increase and in doing so totally ignored our loyal and amazing customers that spent the time to integrate with Chargify. After starting many companies with NO outside capital I understand the struggles of a bootstraping company or lean startup so we should have done better with this.
Listening to the feedback here and via many other channels this was very clear and we wanted to make a quick change. We have released a $39/month plan that supports 100 customers for anyone that has signed up for an account, does not matter if you never used or have not started to integrate. Some important points.
- Only active customers are ever counted in your customer count
- $39/month plan will be available for anyone that has a Chargify account now. Do not worry that you will miss signing up, it will be available for you
- Offering the type of support that we want to is not cheap, and it is how we do business
- PCI Level 1 is both expensive and valuable and we want to provide that to our customers
While we firmly believe that Chargify and many competitors provide great value to a company that wants to do recurring billing we realize the mistake that was made. We will not go back to free as it will not allow us to support our customers the way we want to. There will always be a "cheap" or cheaper competitor out there but we are not that one.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
This seems like a big shoot-self-in-foot moment. To get to 50+ users you have to start at zero. Cut out all your 50 customers. Seems blatantly obvious to me. I guess I must be missing something.
I don't know why they don't just charge a set monthly amount for each user (up to a threshold). Say $1. So if you have 20 users you pay $20/month. That would allow them to keep their existing customers, cover their costs and provide a path for people to work up to $99/month. Also, they shouldn't have doubled their fees for existing paying customers.
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#116We have about 35 customers in Chargify, and growing steadily, but $99/month will eat almost half our monthly revenue. Really disappointed.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here with the pricing, but this sounds more like you're getting hurt because you're trying to take micro payments which typically isn't a solved problem (yet).
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#117My name is David Hauser (@dh) and I am a founder at Chargify as well as the Grasshopper Group where I have spent the last 7 years serving hundreds of thousands of entrepreneurs and helping them to succeed. I want to respond directly here and invite anyone to reach out to me personally on Twitter or email to talk about this or anything else. We made a mistake with how we implemented and communicated a massive price in…
>>There will always be a "cheap" or cheaper competitor out there but we are not that one.
Well not now you are not. You hold all of their customers details, moving from chargify to something more affordable is a nigh on impossible task. I'd expect that there are more than a few startups who will just shut up shop who just dont have the resource to enter into a process of getting all of the users to re-sign up with alternative providers. Thats pretty sad dont you think?
Re: Chargify New Pricing
#118My name is David Hauser (@dh) and I am a founder at Chargify as well as the Grasshopper Group where I have spent the last 7 years serving hundreds of thousands of entrepreneurs and helping them to succeed. I want to respond directly here and invite anyone to reach out to me personally on Twitter or email to talk about this or anything else. We made a mistake with how we implemented and communicated a massive price in…
If you are not going to grandfather the old prices, at lease give a long transition period. I would suggest six months given that this is a service that requires integration and customer interaction.
Re: Chargify New Pricing
#119My name is David Hauser (@dh) and I am a founder at Chargify as well as the Grasshopper Group where I have spent the last 7 years serving hundreds of thousands of entrepreneurs and helping them to succeed. I want to respond directly here and invite anyone to reach out to me personally on Twitter or email to talk about this or anything else. We made a mistake with how we implemented and communicated a massive price in…
I understand the need to ditch free users. It's a common tale that supporting free users is just not worth the effort. But realistically, dropping a bomb like this on the many customers you already have which are either "only just" paying or "about to pay" is just plain horrible. Startups who are just ticking over to the base paid plan are particularly vulnerable, not to mention the hundreds of customers who are no doubt not that far yet. The point is, that EVERY one of your customers starts off with ZERO of their own customers. That's what made your pricing so great for bootstrapped startups like us. Today, you've made it just that little bit harder for people like us.
We started using Chargify in production about 60 days ago. We were just about to write our first cheque to you, and I've even mentioned to Lance that I was actually looking forward to it. In my mind, getting to 50 paying customers was something of a milestone. But to go from budgeting for $50 a month to now budgeting $100 a month on top of the all the merchant fees for both is just about a show stopper. I guess that just means we're not in your target market.
I don't think anyone expects businesses like Chargify to offer their (awesome) product for free. But for someone who has been in business for so long, it is hard to believe you guys are so naive as to think this would go down at all well. Especially when it has happened time and time again with others only recently.
Chargify is in the unique position of having a fairly substantial "lock in" on customers. The switching costs for us is huge. For us to change to competitor would be prohibitively expensive. When you're in that position, it's unpleasant to be reminded just how much power a third party has over your own business.
I mentioned in another post here that UsabilityHub has just shy of 10,000 users. 90% of those were migrated from our previous system (paypal) which wasn't subscription based. At the time I made the decision to keep those users out of Chargify rather than paying $40 a month to maintain them. I felt dishonest for doing so, but now that I'd be getting charged $1000 a month for those "free" users, it was possibly the best decision I ever made. We got out relatively unscathed, but that is how close we come to being forced to shut down our product because of pricing decision made by a third party. Let that be a lesson to all.
The moral of the story here, however, is that you guys have spent nearly a year building up some pretty awesome goodwill amongst the startup community. Today you've turned around and told all of us that we don't matter to you. You guys have spent so long telling us how the banking sector is "doing it wrong", is too expensive and has too many fees, and then you turn around and join them.
To underline all of this, Chargify is now the most expensive part of the billing chain for startups. Congratulations.
EDIT: I'm currently in the process of implementing "one time" purchases using Chargify. This is our most requested feature. Given that all these users will be counted as "active users" in Chargify, we'll be getting billed for every one of our 10,000 users that decide to make a "one time" purchase even though they're not actually subscribers.
So I guess I need to explain to our customers why we won't be doing that any more.... this just keeps getting worse.
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#120I feel like I'm missing something, because going by these pricing charts -- http://chargify.com/pricing-and-signup -- it seems like if you're a Chargify customer, "freemium" is no longer possible. We ( http://mocksup.com ) happily use Spreedly and only send customers to them when they're upgrading to a paid account. Can you not do this with Chargify? And if you can, what do they count as a "free" user?
We'd be shutting up shop right now if we had.
I'm doubly lucky as I was about to start migrating users to do "one off" billing using Chargify. Given that every one of those would now count towards our monthly fee we'll be using a different service for "one off" purchases.