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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by sbr464 »

callalex wrote: post #370
sbr464 wrote: post #286

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What does being open source and being altruistic have to do with each other? Personally, I think they enabled the login, so that new users would be able to use docker cloud, after installing docker, without needing to create an account. But still, being open source, allows you to verify security, be transparent about the product design/intentions, possibly extend or customize for your needs, etc. There is a lot of va…

> What does open source and being altruistic have to do with each other? Would you spend time out of your day to contribute to software that requires your users to sign up for someone else’s spam list?

Yes, absolutely. Would you like the cure to cancer if it meant you had to give your email address? One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by sbr464 »

callalex wrote: post #370
sbr464 wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does being open source and being altruistic have to do with each other? Personally, I think they enabled the login, so that new users would be able to use docker cloud, after installing docker, without needing to create an account. But still, being open source, allows you to verify security, be transparent about the product design/intentions, possibly extend or customize for your needs, etc. There is a lot of va…

> What does open source and being altruistic have to do with each other? Would you spend time out of your day to contribute to software that requires your users to sign up for someone else’s spam list?

You may not feel this way, but think of downloading docker, as a non developer. You are probably following some tutorial, and really have no idea what you are actually doing. What if a container you are downloading is dangerous, or becomes dangerous. What if the version of the platform you have eventually becomes risky, due to a hack/0day? You are basically downloading an entire OS/execution environment, that makes it seamless to run an entire environment, while doing nothing. How would the company send an email/warn you etc, of some basic info that could really help you, or make your experience better? This isn’t som H&M mailing list to take your money. This is real, marketing aside, maybe they actually care?

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

sethhochberg wrote: post #172
nikofeyn wrote: post #154

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> If they want to collect emails they need to offer something in addition. whether i agree with the decision or not, i am confused by this sentiment. aren’t they offering docker, for free?

They're indeed giving away Docker for free, but part of the reason I hypothetically want Docker in the first place is that I trust the people distributing it to not do anything underhanded with their flagship tool's position as a product which runs thousands of other businesses' infrastructure. There is a certain degree of trust involved in using a product like Docker since it is so critical to a businesses' operatio…

So you have a complete attitude of entitlement that your preferred software must be delivered to you on your terms according to common convention. Nobody is permitted to act otherwise or we're gonna have ESR storm their office and take names. You're not a Berkeley grad are you?

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by sbr464 »

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #359
sbr464 wrote: post #286

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What does being open source and being altruistic have to do with each other? Personally, I think they enabled the login, so that new users would be able to use docker cloud, after installing docker, without needing to create an account. But still, being open source, allows you to verify security, be transparent about the product design/intentions, possibly extend or customize for your needs, etc. There is a lot of va…

> What does being open source and being altruistic have to do with each other? The "open" in "open source" is about encouraging cooperation and collaboration. And not using lock-in or patents or walled gardens to obstruct competition. If the altruistic aspect is still not obvious: many projects encourage a gift economy by accepting donations. Astroturfing is really not compatible with what you called "be transparent…

I would only ask someone being so harsh, what they have personally contributed as a project directly or indirectly (supporting an existing project) before being as harsh or judge mental as this, especially toward a product like docker, that probably revolutionalized an industry. To clarify, I mean popularized an entire paradigm of running software, not necessarily the first.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by cyphar »

jchw wrote: post #162
gshulegaard wrote: post #156

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Sounds like you would be more interested in LXD then.

LXD is more like virtual machines than containers, though. Also, in context of this thread, it doesn't solve much that Docker doesn't; after all, Docker for Linux is in fact fully open source, and even if it wasn't, Linux has no shortage of mature container implementations (like rkt.) For a developer on Mac or Windows, it'd be nice to have a universal dev tool, even if only to handle Linux containers.

> Linux has no shortage of mature container implementations (like rkt.)

As someone who is a maintainer of the core of what actually runs containers under Docker (runc), LXC (and by extension LXD) is _the_ most mature container implementation on Linux. I've worked with the LXC folks and I am constantly impressed how on-top-of-everything they are.

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Post by thatspartan »

latexr wrote: post #302
baud147258 wrote: post #254

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It's the issue with discussion platforms where the speech is not regulated, they tend to bring people that have been kicked out of other platforms, even if they are not really interested in the main focus of the forum.

Paradox of Tolerance[1]: > The paradox states that if a society is tolerant without limit, their ability to be tolerant will eventually be seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Popper came to the seemingly paradoxical conclusion that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

This has helped me to view the GNU GPL in a new light. That is, to ensure freedom, we curtail the freedom to limit the freedom of others with respect to software.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by majewsky »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #383
majewsky wrote: post #241

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In which way does using Docker circumvent the GPL? It's not like Docker images are opaque binary blobs, unless you count tar.gz as opaque.

Because a GNU userspace is "distributed" along with proprietary software?

If that were a GPL violation, >90% of Linux distributions were violating the GPL.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by crunchlibrarian »

madmax96 wrote: post #334

I get it. I hate login-walls too. The level of toxicity in the github issue's conversation is so astounding that I must say something. People on the internet are people. I hope that we don't talk to people in "real life" the same as we do when we make toxic comments online. Complain, write letters/emails to Docker, make your opinion heard, etc. But remember that you are dealing with a fellow human-being, who has thei…

Over the top toxicity killed google plus, and we can all be thankful for that. Sometimes it's called for.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by raesene9 »

estesp wrote: post #393
raesene9 wrote: post #343

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Cool, I guess I'm not surprised that IBM Cloud are leading the way there :) are you aware of any on-prem options shipping Containerd as a default so far?

I know our own on-prem (IBM Cloud Private) has containerd in testing and looking for a late year release where containerd is the primary engine. I'm not as up to speed on who else is offering on-prem K8s; but I do know minikube is also getting containerd integration as we speak.

Awesome, I had a play with getting containerd running without Docker a little while back and it all worked, just required a bit more effort than Docker :) It'll be interesting to see what happens as more k8s options adopt it
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