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Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a competitor who is scraping my content and ranking higher

#101
post #81

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Does anything stop the scraper from using DCMA on the original site?

Anything receiving 5k visits a month, is likely crawled at least once a day unless it's told not to. In this case, Google could check crawls and determine the original source of content between the two competitors.

If the source that is copying is also being crawled once per day isn't possible that it would be crawled first and appear to Google that it is the original source?

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a competitor who is scraping my content and ranking higher

#102

If you haven't already, try adding some "trap streets" to your data. Map makers occasionally include streets that don't exist, so if a competitors map includes it too, it's clear that the competitor copied it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street I did that with an online marketing dictionary I wrote years ago, some of the definitions included strange usage examples that contained the names of several of my frie…

Copyright protects only creative works, not any information as I understand.

It doesn't in the US, but collections of information are protected in the EU and some other places [1]

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sui_generis_database_right

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a competitor who is scraping my content and ranking higher

#103
post #81

This is pretty much what the DMCA and other copyright mechanisms were made for. Send your request to Google and have them delisted. https://support.google.com/legal/answer/3110420?hl=en

Does anything stop the scraper from using DCMA on the original site?

I would think that the scraper wouldn't want the source of their material to disappear, for one.

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a competitor who is scraping my content and ranking higher

#104
post #87

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Also not a lawyer buy If you're in europe I believe there's also something called database rights which gives some protection to people that gather data from different sources event if they are not content creator.

Correct, the database directive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_Directive Aka Directive 96/9/EC of the European Parliament

OP mentioned that they just buy the data from someone else and therefore OP is not a database rights holder.

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a competitor who is scraping my content and ranking higher

#106
Instead of blocking them by IP, send false information to their IP. Make it subtle so they don't immediately notice, and end up hosting tons of unreliable information.

Maybe even automate it: one lots of requests start coming from the same source, a sign that somebody is scraping your site, start messing with the data you send them in later requests.

This all assuming there's no legal objection to providing false data on this particular topic. There might be, depending on what it's about.

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a competitor who is scraping my content and ranking higher

#107
We use DistilNetworks to do bot and scraping limiting. I wouldn't exactly say I recommend it, I'm skeptical about it's usefulness, but it might be worth trying to see if it solves the problem. At least then they are battling a third party with some expertise in it and additional data, rather than you having to try to come up with countermeasures from whole cloth.

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a competitor who is scraping my content and ranking higher

#108
post #22

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He can also go after them with this. He can write them to take it down. If they don’t, go to the host and have them take the site down.

"Excuse me, could you put down my TV?"

Asking nice can work, but I find it depends on what is in my hand at the time.

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a competitor who is scraping my content and ranking higher

#109

If you haven't already, try adding some "trap streets" to your data. Map makers occasionally include streets that don't exist, so if a competitors map includes it too, it's clear that the competitor copied it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street I did that with an online marketing dictionary I wrote years ago, some of the definitions included strange usage examples that contained the names of several of my frie…

Copyright protects only creative works, not any information as I understand.

It's a little weird. Trap streets often aren't protected by copyright as the existence or non-existence of something is a fact and facts aren't copyrightable.

And maps are nothing more than a collection of facts. As are recipes. You can take the recipes in a cookbook, write them down, and disseminate them how you choose and no one could say boo. Which is why Coca-Cola guards its recipe carefully. Once it is known, they can't do anything about it. You can't copyright "a lot of sugar, carbonated water, caramel coloring, mix".

But you also can't just photocopy a map and sell it as your own. Presentation falls under copyright. The look of the map is a distinct piece of art that has copyright protections. The combination of colors, fonts, line thickness, placement of labels, etc, are all things you can't reproduce.

But the information that Bob Street crosses Bill and Jill streets at these points, that's just facts.

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a competitor who is scraping my content and ranking higher

#110
post #86

(Note:I am not a lawyer.) If you're a US citizen, any content that you've created yourself is -automatically- copyrighted. (That's also true in all countries where Berne Convention standards apply.) See this link for further basics: https://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/intellectual-property/what... If they're scraping content you created, they have already broken the copyright law. (They may not realize that. Make sure…

What if I created my content by slightly altering other content? Like writing a news article from a Reuters press release, how much difference does there need to be? Seems like a pretty hard line to draw.

> Seems like a pretty hard line to draw.

All laws result in tricky distinctions, and that's what case law is for.

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