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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by inetknght »

cdoxsey wrote: post #117

Docker is such a mess. As a tool for building containers its cumbersome, has bizarre and frustrating limitations and has issues that haven’t been addressed in years. You can’t use semver for tags, it eats up all your disk space and you have to manually GC it, etc… Multi-build support is basically useless and invariably you end up writing convoluted bash scripts to get the thing to work. Caching is terrible pretty muc…

My fellow employed engineers have been moving towards Docker for over a year; slow progress because there's so many problems that Docker introduces whose solutions are convoluted at best.

That's on top of the security auditing nightmare if you ever decide to use stuff from Docker Hub.

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Post by dnzm »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #253
peterkelly wrote: post #155

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Even Wacom tablet drivers phone home now: https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/7zzq8p/you_should_kn...

I struggled to upgrade my graphics card drivers on an old gaming PC just the other day because I'd forgotten my "GeForce Experience" password and had to reset it.

To be fair, it is possible to download the drivers without the experience bullshit.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by thecatspaw »

swebs wrote: post #304
Tomte wrote: post #153

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The game sounded very interesting, until I read a bit in the forums. Some players are really toxic. Twitter is a peaceful, loving place compared to that. No way I will spend my free time in this game.

Neat, that makes me want to check it out. I'm pretty tired of communities that are so busy virtue signaling what is "toxic" that actual discussion is hindered. Those types of communities tend to be overly ban-happy to anyone who speaks against the views of the mods/admins too.

While I did not check out this games forum, there is a massive difference between allowing differentiated views, and toxic people.

Hackernews is pretty good at this, very seldom I see toxic people here, yet people argue all the time when they dont agree.

This actually makes me curios, what draws you to this heavily moderated forum here?

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Post by namibj »

mixermachine wrote: post #214
mikekchar wrote: post #189

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The game itself is really fun and griefers are much rarer than you might imagine from reading the forums. But yeah.... It's absolutely nuts there sometimes. The developer is a massive free speech advocate and doesn't mind hosting this horrible crap. But what's insane is that he gives moderator ability to some of the worst offenders. So I just don't know what's going on in his head sometimes. There used to be a list o…

Then take a AWS free Virtual Machine and host it :). Just check the traffic regularly (because only 15GB outgoing traffic is free, incoming does not cost anything. You can set a alarm for 1 USD).

Or get the smallest instance from scaleway, which is so far the smallest one with a dedicated hardware core (not thread) on reasonably modern chips at 2 EUR ~ 2.5$/month, unmetered 100Mbit, 1GB ram and some 25GB fast ssd. If you know any cheaper ones, let me know. They even have 3$/month bare-metal ones with slightly higher specs, but using a Marvell ARM chip and only supporting exotic NBD storage.

Heck, if you'd be fine with an EU server, contact me, I'd sponsor it, including a short subdomain.

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Post by Scarblac »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #264
sbr464 wrote: post #207

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Does offering the source not qualify as offering something? What is the closed source company offering that you are ok with giving your email away? Really an honest question. I find Docker useful, and was put back also by the email/ login request, but why are they getting so much hate, compared to every other company, just because of this?

Because a closed-source company is open about being a for-profit commercial entity that is trying to make a dollar first and foremost. Docker is "revolutionising infrastructure" or something. It doesn't have "make heaps of money" as it's primary goal. Partly this is because open source. There's an expectation that open source is also "for the greater good". The cardinal sin of our times is hypocrisy. Being a money-wo…

But it's not one or the other. It's perfectly legitimate to start a company with the goal of improving the world, while also needing to make some profit so you can continue to be a functioning company. No greed or bastards involved.

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Post by hashrate »

test6554 wrote: post #157

If money is an issue, perhaps docker should make container authors host their own stuff and just make them searchable/discoverable in dockerhub.

> host their own stuff and just make them searchable/discoverable

You aware that hosting probably represent 1% of Docker spending at the moment ?

You aware that Docker has 100+ employees based in SF where the average salary is 120K$/Year ?

And here I'm being gentle not to include the management[0] which in general has salary closer to 300K than 120K

[0] https://www.docker.com/company

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Post by mrec »

latexr wrote: post #302
baud147258 wrote: post #254

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It's the issue with discussion platforms where the speech is not regulated, they tend to bring people that have been kicked out of other platforms, even if they are not really interested in the main focus of the forum.

Paradox of Tolerance[1]: > The paradox states that if a society is tolerant without limit, their ability to be tolerant will eventually be seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Popper came to the seemingly paradoxical conclusion that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Which in practice just means that everyone labels anything they don't like "intolerance", bans it and toddles off congratulating themselves on how tolerant they are.

I have no idea what the solution is. I suspect anyone coming up with one would win all the Nobel Peace Prizes from now until the end of time. I do think it's a useful rule of thumb that if you're not finding tolerance excruciating and infuriating at times, you're not really doing it.

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Post by nickjj »

djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

In Docker's defense they don't really barrage you with marketing. This isn't a situation where if you create an account you're going to get emailed every day about "5 tips on moving your Enterprise application to Docker!".

I've had a Docker Hub account since Docker Hub was a thing and the only content I really ever get from Docker is a weekly newsletter (which you can opt out of) and notifications about the platform itself (such as any downtime reports, etc.).

I do think it's a bad idea though, mainly because for newer people getting into Docker it's a barrier of entry to overcome. I'm very suspicious of anyone asking me to register for things like this. On the other hand, I don't have insights that Docker has, so to make such a bold move, they probably have a plan.

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Post by Tomte »

swebs wrote: post #304
Tomte wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The game sounded very interesting, until I read a bit in the forums. Some players are really toxic. Twitter is a peaceful, loving place compared to that. No way I will spend my free time in this game.

Neat, that makes me want to check it out. I'm pretty tired of communities that are so busy virtue signaling what is "toxic" that actual discussion is hindered. Those types of communities tend to be overly ban-happy to anyone who speaks against the views of the mods/admins too.

If you consider „you‘re a fascist“ and „seek psychological help“ in umpteen variations a fruitful discussion, that forum will be exactly your taste.

It was the first or second thread I skimmed. No, thanks.

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