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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by michaelt »

bcoughlan wrote: post #280

It's not a good move, but I don't understand the vitriol expressed on Github, calling the developers jerks etc. Our company has never paid Docker for anything, but we've benefited greatly from having Docker images be the output of our backend build jobs. I never have to dig into classpath errors from conflicting JARs any more, or deal with out of date JDKs living on QA and production machines. I can deploy a dependen…

  I don't understand the vitriol expressed on Github
Some people see a change making the UX worse promoted as a change that improves the UX, and feel it's an honest mistake that will be corrected by straightforward, constructive feedback.

Other people see the same thing and think the dishonesty is intentional. Docker would hardly be the first company to do this [1] - but some people may have seen Docker as 'not like those other companies' and be disappointed to discover they are.

[1] http://dilbert.com/strip/1998-08-09

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by Jedi72 »

cdoxsey wrote: post #117

Docker is such a mess. As a tool for building containers its cumbersome, has bizarre and frustrating limitations and has issues that haven’t been addressed in years. You can’t use semver for tags, it eats up all your disk space and you have to manually GC it, etc… Multi-build support is basically useless and invariably you end up writing convoluted bash scripts to get the thing to work. Caching is terrible pretty muc…

> "As a concept, containers never really lived up to their potential. A Docker container image is a lightweight, standalone, executable package of software that includes everything needed to run an application. As long as that application runs in linux."

This is how Erlang releases have worked for 20 years

http://erlang.org/doc/design_principles/release_handling.htm...

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by baud147258 »

mrec wrote: post #257
baud147258 wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the issue with discussion platforms where the speech is not regulated, they tend to bring people that have been kicked out of other platforms, even if they are not really interested in the main focus of the forum.

> The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts are genuinely wrong. Source: http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservativ…

Thank you for the link, the article was an interesting read.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by some_account »

sbr464 wrote: post #286
marcus_holmes wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because a closed-source company is open about being a for-profit commercial entity that is trying to make a dollar first and foremost. Docker is "revolutionising infrastructure" or something. It doesn't have "make heaps of money" as it's primary goal. Partly this is because open source. There's an expectation that open source is also "for the greater good". The cardinal sin of our times is hypocrisy. Being a money-wo…

What does being open source and being altruistic have to do with each other? Personally, I think they enabled the login, so that new users would be able to use docker cloud, after installing docker, without needing to create an account. But still, being open source, allows you to verify security, be transparent about the product design/intentions, possibly extend or customize for your needs, etc. There is a lot of va…

Force users to create an account, then advertise it as "now you don't need to create an account anymore"

Yeah...

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by akvadrako »

scoom wrote: post #281
jeffbr13 wrote: post #49

Docker Hub[1] is also blatantly in breach of the GDPR. Wording on the pop-up: > We and our advertising partners use cookies on this site and around the web to improve your website experience and provide you with personalised advertising from this site and other advertisers in AdRoll's network. By clicking "allow" or navigating this site, you accept the placement and use of these cookies for these purposes. It’s not a…

The opt-out, is to navigate away and not use their service. Which matches the GDPR - if you need the data to create a contract - like 'we use your data in exchange for your use of our site' then you can keep it. > there’s not a lawful basis unless advertising-cookies are suddenly the enabling technology behind downloadable containers. Yes they are. Advertising cookies are how those downloadable containers are provide…

Your legal analysis is incorrect. From the UK ICO's guidance¹:

> The ‘consent’ is a condition of service

> If you require someone to agree to processing as a condition of service, consent is unlikely to be the most appropriate lawful basis for the processing. In some circumstances it won’t even count as valid consent. Instead, if you believe the processing is necessary for the service, the better lawful basis for processing is more likely to be that the “processing is necessary for the performance of a contract” under Article 6(1)(b). You are only likely to need to rely on consent if required to do so under another provision, such as for electronic marketing. It may be that the processing is a condition of service but is not actually necessary for that service. If so, consent is not just inappropriate as a lawful basis, but presumed to be invalid as it is not freely given. In these circumstances, you would usually need to consider ‘legitimate interests’ under Article 6(1)(f) as your lawful basis for processing instead.

And in regards to tracking specifically:

> You are also likely to need consent under ePrivacy laws for most marketing calls or messages, website cookies or other online tracking methods, or to install apps or other software on people’s devices.

[1] https://ico.org.uk/media/about-the-ico/consultations/2013551...

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Post by IshKebab »

scoom wrote: post #281
jeffbr13 wrote: post #49

Docker Hub[1] is also blatantly in breach of the GDPR. Wording on the pop-up: > We and our advertising partners use cookies on this site and around the web to improve your website experience and provide you with personalised advertising from this site and other advertisers in AdRoll's network. By clicking "allow" or navigating this site, you accept the placement and use of these cookies for these purposes. It’s not a…

The opt-out, is to navigate away and not use their service. Which matches the GDPR - if you need the data to create a contract - like 'we use your data in exchange for your use of our site' then you can keep it. > there’s not a lawful basis unless advertising-cookies are suddenly the enabling technology behind downloadable containers. Yes they are. Advertising cookies are how those downloadable containers are provide…

The GDPR does not accept lack of action - dismissing dialogs, ignoring them, etc. as consent. You have to give clear, free and affirmative consent.

You basically have to have a modal "do you consent to tracking? [yes] [no]" dialog. Which obviously nobody who does tracking wants to do, but that's kind of the point.

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Post by Moter8 »

Kiro wrote: post #285
jeffbr13 wrote: post #49

Docker Hub[1] is also blatantly in breach of the GDPR. Wording on the pop-up: > We and our advertising partners use cookies on this site and around the web to improve your website experience and provide you with personalised advertising from this site and other advertisers in AdRoll's network. By clicking "allow" or navigating this site, you accept the placement and use of these cookies for these purposes. It’s not a…

You're wrong.

Explain why. A 2-word reply will always get you downvoted, and with good reason.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by troydavis »

michaelt wrote: post #291
bcoughlan wrote: post #280

It's not a good move, but I don't understand the vitriol expressed on Github, calling the developers jerks etc. Our company has never paid Docker for anything, but we've benefited greatly from having Docker images be the output of our backend build jobs. I never have to dig into classpath errors from conflicting JARs any more, or deal with out of date JDKs living on QA and production machines. I can deploy a dependen…

I don't understand the vitriol expressed on Github Some people see a change making the UX worse promoted as a change that improves the UX, and feel it's an honest mistake that will be corrected by straightforward, constructive feedback. Other people see the same thing and think the dishonesty is intentional. Docker would hardly be the first company to do this [1] - but some people may have seen Docker as 'not like th…

Your summary doesn’t line up with the linked-to GitHub issue. “Straightforward, constructive” feedback was provided by the issue creator and was seemingly ignored.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by MarkyC4 »

ThisIs_MyName wrote: post #193
travisjungroth wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A ton! But they just don’t usually call it that. 90% of changes just make things better for the user. 10% make things worse, but they’re obvious and honest and we’re okay with it. And then 1% is the stuff like this. The Netflix/Qwikster you’re paying less but more debacle. The EA “sense of pride and accomplishment”. The Netflix (wait, why are they here twice?) show recommendations that aren’t ads that’s happening rig…

> The Netflix/Qwikster you’re paying less but more debacle What did I miss?

7 years ago, Netflix decided to split into streaming (Netflix) and DVDs by mail (Qwikster). It didn't last long
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