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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by majewsky »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #197
mevile wrote: post #39

It's in Docker's interest to capture as much value as they can from their products, their calculus is changing. It's their decision to make, however passing it off as in the best interest of users is a bit of a whopper and not the best way to communicate it. I don't think entitlement to other people's work is the best response though.

Docker is just a thin wrapper around Linux (API + namespaces). Dockerfiles frequently install a whole userspace (such as Alpine's or Debian's) as a base, to then add proprietary bits. Basically, Docker can be seen as GPL circumvention device. People aren't entitled so much as they're frustrated as they realize they've given too much control to some inessential piece of commercial software.

In which way does using Docker circumvent the GPL? It's not like Docker images are opaque binary blobs, unless you count tar.gz as opaque.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by ionised »

jcroll wrote: post #48
djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

Does the internet always have to throw a fit every time a company tries to add a little monetization to what is an essentially free service?

I love how you have totally missed the point.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by m_eiman »

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #111

Don't worry guys, I created a PR to fix it. This is an open source project so I'm sure this will be priority one as soon as the Docker project admins get online ( https://github.com/docker/docker.github.io/pull/7242 )

Fixing a PR problem with a PR, neat.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by bufferoverflow »

alpb wrote: post #24
bufferoverflow wrote: post #2

Linux: https://download.docker.com/linux/static/stable/x86_64/ Win: https://download.docker.com/win/static/stable/x86_64/ Mac: https://download.docker.com/mac/static/stable/x86_64/

The issue in the post talks about "Docker for Mac" and "Docker for Windows" which is basically what Docker for Desktop is. The links you provided are just for the docker binary (which is, mac/windows they're just the docker client –not sure about what the linux binary contains). They're not the same thing.

Is this the desktop?

Win: https://get.docker.com/builds/Windows/x86_64/docker-17.05.0-...

Linux: https://get.docker.com/builds/Linux/x86_64/docker-17.05.0-ce...

Mac: https://get.docker.com/builds/Darwin/x86_64/docker-17.05.0-c...

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by Legogris »

Correct me if I am wrong, but all components of Docker CE are open source and one could therefore still download and build the binaries themselves, right?

I really don't see the issue of requiring hoops to get precompiled binaries as long as there is a way to get and build the binaries yourself.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by jillesvangurp »

Annoying but not the end of the world IMHO. In any case, I have a dockerhub account so I can publish containers there; so I might as well use it. Similarly I have a Github account and am actually a paying customer as well. The bottom line is I have accounts left right and center for things that I depend on professionally. Some of these I even pay for but most of them I don't pay a penny.

This is a closed source product distributed for free. They are well in their rights to charge money for it even. Given that and given how important this product is for my day to day routine (I run lots of docker stuff all the time), and given that docker has been contributing a lot of OSS code in this space, I think this is a relatively small and entirely fair price to pay.

I don't agree with the sense of entitlement in this thread. Docker providing a free community edition of a product they've built that allows running docker on top of Mac/Windows is not charity but a means for them to up-sell their commercial solutions. That's the only reason it exists. I'm grateful that it exists and I hope that they can make this work so I can continue to depend on this.

An alternative is getting a linux laptop and running pure open source versions of whatever containerization you require.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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jillesvangurp wrote: post #246

Annoying but not the end of the world IMHO. In any case, I have a dockerhub account so I can publish containers there; so I might as well use it. Similarly I have a Github account and am actually a paying customer as well. The bottom line is I have accounts left right and center for things that I depend on professionally. Some of these I even pay for but most of them I don't pay a penny. This is a closed source produ…

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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by spacenick88 »

sjellis wrote: post #187

Buildah seems to be becoming a replacement for Docker on the desktop: https://github.com/projectatomic/buildah Pure CLI tool that does not run a daemon, from Red Hat, recently hit version 1. Unfortunately, I don't think that macOS is supported yet.

I really want to like this and conceptually the idea of being a simple command is appealing. That said, I feel like writing a shell script and especially their example is really really off putting. For one the flexibility it offers means people are going to use that flexibility to do weird stuff, second a shell script far too easily captures dependencies to it's environment again making things non-reproducible. If you allow people to put local paths, dependencies on local weirdnesses and so on in their build scripts they will, I've seen it happen time and again.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by WillMoggridge »

josteink wrote: post #206
sethhochberg wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Canonical does a pretty great job of this. If I download an Ubuntu Server ISO, I get my download immediately, but the page has a nice prompt to register for a whitepaper to get the most out of my new server product. If I download the Ubuntu Desktop ISO, I still get my download immediately, but additionally I see some nice prompts about donating to support their operations. Everything about both flows inspires…

> If I download the Ubuntu Desktop ISO, I still get my download immediately Actually you have to click past a "please donate some money" nagging dialogue. It may be a little annoying (at least if you download ISOs all the time), but it's obvious what they are asking for, not to mention why. And it's definitely not dishonest, so it doesn't tarnish their reputation as a trust-worthy company.

It actually just changed (less than 24 hours ago). The download now starts while showing a donation page in the background.
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