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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by theyinwhy »

brightball wrote: post #72
djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

Stuff like this makes me feel better about focusing on Ansible Container instead of Docker. You can use it to create multiple different types of containers without being married to Docker itself.

> First, Ansible Container builds its Conductor container. This may involve pulling the Conductor base image from the Docker Hub registry.

Sounds pretty married to me.

See https://docs.ansible.com/ansible-container/getting_started.h...

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by ngngngng »

Docker is too heavy for golang, which is all I use scaled horizontally anymore. I can easily create a binary for any operating system. With dep (and even more so vgo) reproducible builds just really aren't a problem with golang. But when i've got a virtually unlimited number of green threads I can spin up with goroutines, why do I need to containerize to scale horizontally?

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by egypturnash »

peterkelly wrote: post #155
imglorp wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's next? Opt-out phone-home, telemetry, crash reporting, quality analytics, whatever you call it. That's my prediction. My Synology personal file server started nagging about enabling telemetry and needing a privacy notice to store my files on my drive on my network. Screw that.

Even Wacom tablet drivers phone home now: https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/7zzq8p/you_should_kn...

Sweet mother of fucker, thanks for mentioning that. I use my Wacom tablet for pretty much EVERYTHING when it’s connected. Turned that shit right off.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by hardwaresofton »

Can anyone who works inside PR for software-developer facing companies like Docker explain how a decision like this could make it past vetting?

Any software developer (who isn't drunk on the kool aid?) could tell you that this would result in loss of good will.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by travisjungroth »

TylerE wrote: post #116
ethbro wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For reference and so people can be outraged without RTFA, here was the original close comment: -- joaofnfernandes (2 months ago) "I know that this can feel like a nuisance, but we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward. As far as I can tell, the docs don't need changes, so I'll close this issue, but feel free to comment."

Has there ever been a change to "improve user experience" that has _actually_ improved user experience? (Looking at you, Google.)

A ton! But they just don’t usually call it that.

90% of changes just make things better for the user. 10% make things worse, but they’re obvious and honest and we’re okay with it.

And then 1% is the stuff like this. The Netflix/Qwikster you’re paying less but more debacle. The EA “sense of pride and accomplishment”. The Netflix (wait, why are they here twice?) show recommendations that aren’t ads that’s happening right now.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by Poiesis »

brightball wrote: post #72
djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

Stuff like this makes me feel better about focusing on Ansible Container instead of Docker. You can use it to create multiple different types of containers without being married to Docker itself.

The readme used to say that ansible-container was no longer in active development (https://github.com/ansible/ansible-container/commit/2fa778a7...), but it appears to not be the case now.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by mikekchar »

Tomte wrote: post #153
mikekchar wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO Free software done right: http://onehouronelife.com/ (except the call to action is below the fold :-P) Warning: past the home page, there is some possibly NSFW content. The game defaults to having some cartoon nudity (although there is a non-nudity mod) when the players haven't made clothes, so you might see some pictures of that if you dig around. It's a game. He puts all the code (and assets) in the public dom…

The game sounded very interesting, until I read a bit in the forums. Some players are really toxic. Twitter is a peaceful, loving place compared to that. No way I will spend my free time in this game.

The game itself is really fun and griefers are much rarer than you might imagine from reading the forums. But yeah.... It's absolutely nuts there sometimes. The developer is a massive free speech advocate and doesn't mind hosting this horrible crap. But what's insane is that he gives moderator ability to some of the worst offenders. So I just don't know what's going on in his head sometimes.

There used to be a list of alternative servers, but seems to be gone now :-( Possibly nobody is hosting one any more. I'm tempted to do it myself, but I'm in Japan so the lag would be unacceptable anyway (I'd be playing by myself, which I do anyway...) But it's an option. If you can find a group of people to play with, it can be quite fun just to run on your own server. It takes very little CPU from my experience.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by tannhaeuser »

Good. Maybe we can get back to writing software, rather than spending our time on pointless deployment scripting, tools, and reiventing wheels. Or have developers interested in containers spend their efforts on standardized rather than Linux-only solutions. Docker has IMHO never made any sense for the use cases people seem to have in mind, as it really doesn't isolate you from anything (neither from the host O/S nor Docker itself). Docker, Inc. touting the security aspect doesn't hold merit given Docker must be run as root, and containers can't use host system permissions etc.
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