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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by edoceo »

ori_b wrote: post #70
edoceo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment made/makes me steer away https://github.com/rkt/rkt/issues/3912 There is another open issue claiming the project is dead (but maybe it's just stable) My whole team is onboard with docker, and we don't need account to install/use.

Why do you believe that churn is a good thing, especially for a thin wrapper around Linux namespaces? There should not be much this is actually doing, so lots of commits would be worrying.

I didn't say that that churn is a good thing.

The github-issue and a sibling are folks asking this question. Why? Lingering bugs? Waiting for features? That the question is open is the concern.

And again, compared to my existing tooling which is not having that question and has momentum.

Evaluated against docker (a recent move for us) but didn't choose. We also looked a "roll your own" type solutions - required expertise our team didn't have.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by jchw »

llimllib wrote: post #74
jchw wrote: post #43

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FWIW, as far as I know, Docker for Windows and Docker for Mac really are closed source freeware. My honest opinion is we should move away from it. As for what to move to... That's definitely an open question. Docker for Windows is definitely one of the best developer experiences I've had on Windows because they put actual engineering work into it. All the same, I still found it buggier and less supported than Docker…

> one of the best developer experiences I've had on Windows because they put actual engineering work into it Like, this is exactly what they're talking about, right? This is the user experience that they've improved because VCs have been willing to give them money because they show increases in MAUs. Am I crazy here? You seem to be complaining about exactly the thing that you like

The app phoning home to do analytics is fine with me. I just want the download links so I don't have to sign in to download the app. I will almost definitely sign into the app so I can use the features where signing in are actual value adds. (Also, if they ever removed the direct links, it would really suck for automated deployments.)

But really, I don't care that strongly. I do, however, wish to use, if possible, an open source solution. Why? Because I had a problem with Docker for Windows and I couldn't debug it. As I understand it, this is actually pretty similar to the reasoning behind Linux being developed.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by amaccuish »

bigiain wrote: post #78
amaccuish wrote: post #65

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Ye I only managed to find a "feedback" email address. If they're going to make you have an account, they could have thought about what if people want their account deleted...

You have to look around a bit, but: "Customers may view, update or change their registration information by logging in to their accounts at www.docker.com. Requests to access, change, or delete your information will be handled within 30 days." "Questions regarding this Privacy Policy or the information practices of the Website should be directed to privacy@docker.com or by mailing Docker Privacy, 144 Townsend Street,…

Cheers, lifesaver <3. I'll resend my email there. I will remember to look harder next time.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by colemickens »

jchw wrote: post #43
userbinator wrote: post #27

That's what throwaway accounts are for... and this, of course: http://bugmenot.com/view/store.docker.com In any case, "to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward" is yet another example of the official-sounding-yet-bullshit, vague and meandering language that seems to permeate into everything these days. (Is there a specific term for it? "Business-speak" doesn't hav…

FWIW, as far as I know, Docker for Windows and Docker for Mac really are closed source freeware. My honest opinion is we should move away from it. As for what to move to... That's definitely an open question. Docker for Windows is definitely one of the best developer experiences I've had on Windows because they put actual engineering work into it. All the same, I still found it buggier and less supported than Docker…

Er, any links about the Kubernetes changes? They spent multiple releases adopting and moving to CRI. Meaning any CRI implementation can be used in his where docker(shim) was previously used. This includes -- containerd, crio, kata, pouch, gvisor, and at least three more whose names I forget.

Hardcoding another container runtime would be disappointing to see and highly surprising.

Also, since no one anywhere in this thread is talking about it... You can get Dockers container execution engine without any of the "docker". Docker has spent significant time and presumably money splitting out `containerd` and I'm surprised it's not mentioned in this thread so far. It's compatible with Kuberenetes CRI, etc, etc.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by colemickens »

ghayes wrote: post #14

Can anyone post an experience using rkt [0]. I'd love an alternative to using Docker for containers, though I'm not sure how well a community has evolved around rkt. [0] https://github.com/rkt/rkt

I'm surprised to see rkt mentioned so much. This thread has a very 2017 vibe and doesn't seem to account for m(any) of the changes in Kubernetes (CRI), docker/containerd, anything with regard to what RH is doing as they bet more and more on this space. Anyway...

Red Hat's crio is a much more obvious contender in this space (my issues with RH "marketing" of crio vs containerd aside). A slightly different scope, but even Kata's future seems more promising than rkt's.

Or, just use containerd if you just want a clearly OSS engine with the weight of docker behind it. ('containerd' is Docker's container engine, effectively)

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by imgabe »

djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

And moreso, if you want to make money just charge money for something. Don't do scumbag stuff like collect emails to sell to marketers. Make something people are willing to pay for, and charge them money for it.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by ulzeraj »

jjeaff wrote: post #26
Rauchg wrote: post #7

On macOS, I recommend: `brew cask install docker`

on windows, I recommend `choco install docker.for.windows`

Risking a derail how is chocolatey nowadays? I really liked the idea but stopped using it because most of the packets were way behind the current versions.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by shoulderfake »

sopooneo wrote: post #73
gameswithgo wrote: post #60

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as soon as you see nonsense business speak like that you know things are going downhill. see also, netflix, and twitter lately. I really don't know why they bother uttering or writing those kinds of words. They contain no information, nobody is fooled by the lie. It is a waste of their time.

I thought the same way until I worked with lots of types of people. The vast majority seem to much prefer BS, even blatant BS to honesty that is even the least bit blunt. I think part of it is that since everyone exaggerates, actual blunt truths are assumed to also be a positive spin, which would put their reality in the toilet.

Majority of people out there are complete idiots, Im not trying to be rude either. Very few people think for themselves.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by fpgaminer »

imgabe wrote: post #86
djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

And moreso, if you want to make money just charge money for something . Don't do scumbag stuff like collect emails to sell to marketers. Make something people are willing to pay for, and charge them money for it.

Doesn't Docker have Docker Enterprise or something like that that they charge money for? So the email harvesting is really just in addition to charging money.
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