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Introduction to Augur, an open-source, decentralized betting marketplace

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Re: Introduction to Augur, an open-source, decentralized betting marketplace

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Augur will probably be used for betting but really it's a prediction market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prediction_market Prediction markets are an interesting tool for determining the most likely answer or result for almost any question. Some economists hope that we could use prediction markets to make difficult political decisions. Many companies already use them internally. Sadly there's only one prediction mar…

There is a much larger global prediction market that comes with its own set of nuances and quirks, and that of course is the stock market. You can even get involved with no fee at all through Robinhood, but you will have to fill out some annoying and potentially costly IRS forms. If I could paraphrase Charlie Munger, in the stock market, the only people who are successful long term are those who bet massive sums, ver…

You have to fill pay taxes for earnings in something like Augur as well

Re: Introduction to Augur, an open-source, decentralized betting marketplace

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I think the "volume" problem breaks further into two critical sub-questions: 1. A big selling point of these markets is that there are theoretical commercial value to predictions- i.e. a company could get information of the likely success of their new product line ahead of time, to help them make strategic adjustments. However, Robin Hansen (one of the top economists working on betting markets) says, counterintuitive…

Why is 2 a problem? I'd love to use Augur, but the liquidity is low. If the Augur team wants to seed it with liquidity and good bets, I'm game to take the other side. This is also how many startups start out -- for example, the Reddit cofounders faked a lot of usage and self-submitted posts in order to get early traction.

Sure, it's fine for them to be market makers, if they're transparent about it.

Re: Introduction to Augur, an open-source, decentralized betting marketplace

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Yes, it works very well but not for the 'wisdom of the crowds' effect. It works because the people with the most information and best models sharpen up the price. Over time, the sharpest bettors grow their bankrolls or capital exponentially and place larger bets and have a disproportionate weight on the markets and their opinions matter more, making markets more efficient.

In theory you're right - but this isn't how it works in practice. The people who earn the most money are the best traders, not necessarily the people with the "most information and best models." The overall forecasts tend to be accurate, but you cannot look to individual participants, see who has the most money, and assume they know the most about the subject at hand.

How can one make money with that knowledge put to work?

Re: Introduction to Augur, an open-source, decentralized betting marketplace

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post #7

Augur will probably be used for betting but really it's a prediction market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prediction_market Prediction markets are an interesting tool for determining the most likely answer or result for almost any question. Some economists hope that we could use prediction markets to make difficult political decisions. Many companies already use them internally. Sadly there's only one prediction mar…

prediction markets are not well regarded academically , outside of the cristall ball economics.

the academic consensus is that as soon as you create a second incentive (the prediction market itself) you lose all the insight you could gain from external factors. At that point they are no better than simply looking at the stocks (the predicted market). hence prediction markets are by definition, useless.

the cristall ball people still trying to make it happen are now trying to see how much they can limit the prediction market itself for it to not affect itself (hence the limitations you don't like on the one you mention)

Re: Introduction to Augur, an open-source, decentralized betting marketplace

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post #145
post #7

Augur will probably be used for betting but really it's a prediction market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prediction_market Prediction markets are an interesting tool for determining the most likely answer or result for almost any question. Some economists hope that we could use prediction markets to make difficult political decisions. Many companies already use them internally. Sadly there's only one prediction mar…

prediction markets are not well regarded academically , outside of the cristall ball economics. the academic consensus is that as soon as you create a second incentive (the prediction market itself) you lose all the insight you could gain from external factors. At that point they are no better than simply looking at the stocks (the predicted market). hence prediction markets are by definition, useless. the cristall b…

> At that point they are no better than simply looking at the stocks (the predicted market).

Are you assuming that prediction markets are only over stock prices? What about a market about the winner of the next US presidential election?

Re: Introduction to Augur, an open-source, decentralized betting marketplace

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post #145
post #7

Augur will probably be used for betting but really it's a prediction market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prediction_market Prediction markets are an interesting tool for determining the most likely answer or result for almost any question. Some economists hope that we could use prediction markets to make difficult political decisions. Many companies already use them internally. Sadly there's only one prediction mar…

prediction markets are not well regarded academically , outside of the cristall ball economics. the academic consensus is that as soon as you create a second incentive (the prediction market itself) you lose all the insight you could gain from external factors. At that point they are no better than simply looking at the stocks (the predicted market). hence prediction markets are by definition, useless. the cristall b…

Do you have citations for this? The academic papers I've read on prediction markets are (broadly) positive.

Re: Introduction to Augur, an open-source, decentralized betting marketplace

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It's called survivorship bias. With hundreds of millions of people making investments in the stock market, almost any strategy has many examples of people who "won" with it.

I understand survivorship bias. These firms make many thousands of trades per day, year after year. They have multi-year track records of exceptional returns. If their edge was truly no better than random then they would have been bankrupted years ago. You can do some back of the envelope math to easily convince yourself of this.

nobody said it's totally innefective (or random), just that it is vastly less effective (and you're exposed to terminal risk more often) than throwing lots of money on an index.

Re: Introduction to Augur, an open-source, decentralized betting marketplace

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post #145

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prediction markets are not well regarded academically , outside of the cristall ball economics. the academic consensus is that as soon as you create a second incentive (the prediction market itself) you lose all the insight you could gain from external factors. At that point they are no better than simply looking at the stocks (the predicted market). hence prediction markets are by definition, useless. the cristall b…

Do you have citations for this? The academic papers I've read on prediction markets are (broadly) positive.

you are probably reading crystal ball economists. do they also write about other means to pick stock besides analyzing the company?

Re: Introduction to Augur, an open-source, decentralized betting marketplace

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post #146
post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

prediction markets are not well regarded academically , outside of the cristall ball economics. the academic consensus is that as soon as you create a second incentive (the prediction market itself) you lose all the insight you could gain from external factors. At that point they are no better than simply looking at the stocks (the predicted market). hence prediction markets are by definition, useless. the cristall b…

> At that point they are no better than simply looking at the stocks (the predicted market). Are you assuming that prediction markets are only over stock prices? What about a market about the winner of the next US presidential election?

if you have a market where I can make tons of money of it, at which point do you expect me to start contributing to PACs just to win the bet?

see the problem?

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