Let’s all go back to Tumblr • Hacker News Board

Re: Let’s all go back to Tumblr

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Post by sp332 » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 9:24 PM UTC

newswriter99 wrote: post #2

-self-harm glorification -bad porn -signal boosting for political rants -faux moral intellectualism by social justice warriors -cyber bullying Let's not?

I don't trust Yahoo to moderate things well either. They seem to be a little too reactionary. For example they first cracked down on NSFW blogs for no particular reason and then mostly rolled back changes after protests. https://www.zdnet.com/article/after-backlash-yahoos-tumblr-q... How do you think they're going to handle organized campaigns to remove users, or not to remove users? My guess is it will be a mess.

Re: Let’s all go back to Tumblr

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Post by eahman02 » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 9:25 PM UTC

phyzome wrote: post #5

newswriter99 wrote: post #2

-self-harm glorification -bad porn -signal boosting for political rants -faux moral intellectualism by social justice warriors -cyber bullying Let's not?

Those are all content issues, not format/platform issues. Don't like those? Don't make your social circle out of the people who do them.

There's nothing inherently wrong with the Twitter platform.

Re: Let’s all go back to Tumblr

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Post by mavhc » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 9:25 PM UTC

ebiester wrote: post #8

tomjen3 wrote: post #3

A radical idea, lets all go back to blogs, hosted and owned by ourselves, on our own sites, which will enrich only us, and where you can write as long and as short as you want, and link to whatever you want.

I'm on board with that, but we haven't solved the problem of notifying the world of our content. Places like reddit discourage posting your own material. HN is fine for niche but places like medium cross-promote between authors so things are more likely to be discovered.

https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started#Syndicate_Elsewhere

What if there was a reddit, but designed like a Planet Blog aggregator.

Comments would go back to your own site, but the ranking in the list would be based on votes.

Re: Let’s all go back to Tumblr

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Post by lainga » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 9:28 PM UTC

newswriter99 wrote: post #2

-self-harm glorification -bad porn -signal boosting for political rants -faux moral intellectualism by social justice warriors -cyber bullying Let's not?

You can get all of those except the first one out of Twitter...

Re: Let’s all go back to Tumblr

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Post by foolfoolz » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 9:32 PM UTC

lainga wrote: post #14

newswriter99 wrote: post #2

-self-harm glorification -bad porn -signal boosting for political rants -faux moral intellectualism by social justice warriors -cyber bullying Let's not?

You can get all of those except the first one out of Twitter...

it’s there if you look for it

Re: Let’s all go back to Tumblr

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Post by douglaswlance » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 9:34 PM UTC

Tumblr is guaranteed one-upmanship. The reblogging feature causes escalation.

We need to look at the brain, and figure out how neurons work together in networks to produce truth. Then use that model for our social networks.

Re: Let’s all go back to Tumblr

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Post by mjevans » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 9:35 PM UTC

sp332 wrote: post #11

newswriter99 wrote: post #2

-self-harm glorification -bad porn -signal boosting for political rants -faux moral intellectualism by social justice warriors -cyber bullying Let's not?

I don't trust Yahoo to moderate things well either. They seem to be a little too reactionary. For example they first cracked down on NSFW blogs for no particular reason and then mostly rolled back changes after protests. https://www.zdnet.com/article/after-backlash-yahoos-tumblr-q... How do you think they're going to handle organized campaigns to remove users, or not to remove users? My guess is it will be a mess.

I can't actually recall any form of organized moderation that has been successful for WIDE audiences.

It seems to work 'OK' if there's a smaller community with a group of core dedicated users (which the moderation staff has a large overlap with); however even then it works only if there is a clear and unambiguous mission statement and laser focused guidelines of 'on topic' contributions.

I'm not familiar with Craigslist, and have only very limited observations of Reddit; but I think these sites are generally the closest to a sustainable model.

In my experience they let 'local' moderation do it's thing, sub-communities individually have their own flavor and groups; with active and positive ones seeing the most success. Moderate ones tend to languish until they trail off. The really bad ones get globally flagged and killed.

I think a logical next step might be 'supersets' where different user areas subscribe to a kind of moderation guild.

Re: Let’s all go back to Tumblr

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Post by eridius » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 9:37 PM UTC

geofft wrote: post #10

tomjen3 wrote: post #3

A radical idea, lets all go back to blogs, hosted and owned by ourselves, on our own sites, which will enrich only us, and where you can write as long and as short as you want, and link to whatever you want.

Is there a good way to get my blog onto the fediverse? It sort of seems like the protocol (ActivityPub) is built in a way that it can support blog-style content as well as toot-style content, and it would solve many of the problems people have with discoverability, RSS dying, shared private posts, etc. I'd be interested in getting my blog (which is self-hosted and using a static site generator) publishing in a way th…

I don't know about the Fediverse but you could look into micro.blog, which is focused on microblogging but supports longer-form content (long-form content shows up in a micro.blog feed as the title plus a link to the full post). micro.blog is part of IndieWeb.

Re: Let’s all go back to Tumblr

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Post by 1ris » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 9:38 PM UTC

phyzome wrote: post #5

newswriter99 wrote: post #2

-self-harm glorification -bad porn -signal boosting for political rants -faux moral intellectualism by social justice warriors -cyber bullying Let's not?

Those are all content issues, not format/platform issues. Don't like those? Don't make your social circle out of the people who do them.

I think the "notes" and the "reblog" function contribute to the problem. It drives engagement ^w^w makes trolling way too easy and creates a need for attention that leads to attention whoring/virtue signalling/radicalisation. I think they are pretty much platform problems.

Re: Let’s all go back to Tumblr

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Post by lrg » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 9:38 PM UTC

Some of the longer posts about social justice that I would read on Tumblr when I was regularly using the app offered some insight into the minds and feelings of marginalized groups that were able to voice their opinions vehemently due to the anonymity that Tumblr provided. It was a safe space and an echo chamber, in that widely unaccepted opinions were harshly criticized as bigotry and removed from the discourse. I think it gave a lot of people the opportunity to vent to a group of generally caring, considerate, sometimes single-minded, and occasionally misguided teenagers and young adults when these people felt that they had no other outlet. It might not have produced the most inspired arguments or conversations, but at the very least Tumblr provided a cohesive community.