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Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by wlesieutre »

AboutTheWhisles wrote: post #75
wlesieutre wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not as clever, but RayCoin would market better. Fiat Lux could be its tagline? I hope I'm joking.

No crypto currency that I know of has succeeded based on the utility of their proof of work algorithm producing something useful. Only proof of work algorithms in service of the currency itself have made an impact.

I'm thinking more that a blockchain enthusiast will design a new coin that abuses the raytracing hardware into running some new crypto-token just because.

This series tentatively looks like it won't be subject to the insane price hikes and scarcity of the 10 series because it's already expensive for adding more diverse hardware that doesn't immediately help you mine ethereum (or whatever's the GPU coin of choice these days). But you never know...

It doesn't need to _do_ anything as long as you can convince people that they should buy RayCoins because everyone else is going to buy RayCoins and they'd better get in on the ground floor here.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by bitL »

jdietrich wrote: post #92
bitL wrote: post #12

Hmm, 24%-42% performance increase (14/16TFlops vs 11.3TFlops) for 70-90% price increase... And prices were already inflated by crypto that is now collapsing. Not sure who is the target market for this tech honestly. Still only 11GB RAM, even if 50% faster, making it a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning enthusiasts (state-of-art models are already larger). Unless somebody invented RTX-based coin of course, then this…

>Not sure who is the target market for this tech honestly. These are gaming GPUs being announced at a games conference to an audience of gamers and games journalists. The focus of Huang's talk was how accelerated ray tracing will improve the graphical fidelity of games. GPU compute is a spin-off from gaming. Gamers remain the primary market. They generate the volume that allows Nvidia to sell a supercomputer on a car…

The point was different - it is way too expensive for regular gamers, 2080Ti likely won't be able to do 4k@60Hz like 1080Ti couldn't either and 10 games featuring RTX in the nearly future is not a sufficient draw, especially when some of the effects now look subjectively worse with RTX ON (see those shadows from multiple lights above dancing people from Jenson's demo). So the question remains - who is the real target audience that will actually buy those cards at these prices? Did NVidia turn into Apple and made RTX its own iPhone X?

Waiting this generation out until RTX is more wide-spread/tested and going for the next 7nm generation with hopefully AMD having a proper GPU to compete seems like a better strategy for most gamers out there.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by Rebelgecko »

bearjaws wrote: post #31
gabcoh wrote: post #16

Does anyone know how they are offering better raytracing performance? Are there new api’s or something?

This is exactly what im wondering, with the next gen consoles confirmed for AMD CPU/GPU I doubt there will be much Ray Tracing tech in the next generation, which means we're looking at 3-5 years before this tech can be mainstream. These GPUs will be antiquated by the time Ray Tracing can gain any real traction...

I believe that lots of games already do ray tracing/casting when they render (especially for things like lighting and reflections), so there can be benefits even before games switch to 100% ray tracing.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by Keyframe »

Zach_the_Lizard wrote: post #96
bitL wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the 2-year warranty, translation of manuals and a need to have office in all major EU markets due to different legal stuff that makes it all pricier.

Don't forget taxes. US prices are typically listed without tax included, whereas I'm guessing the European ones include VAT.

Most probable explanation. 19% in Germany. So, $1199 in US, ~$1443 in Europe. 1199 * 1.19 = ~$1427. $1439 with Austrian VAT of 20%, but price is still 1259 Euro, so it seems nice. Seems about right.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by Slaul »

djsumdog wrote: post #79

I feel like there is a hard limit on rendering tech right now. We saw 4k upgrades to the PS4/xbox and next gen consoles might be a way off. I thought the gaming industry was waiting for hardware that would let you render Marvel movie style graphics. Things that just barely hit that uncanny divide; that would give the player comic book film style immersions. The demo video they posted does look pretty impressive. Is t…

4k gaming is still very much GPU limited. The PS4 Pro and Xbox One X often do not render at the full 3840x2160, do not run at 60FPS, and have individual graphics settings turned down compared to a PC for example.

I am currently running a 1080TI with an 8700k and at 4k resolutions I still need to turn down some graphics settings to maintain 60FPS and If the 2080TI is 50% faster than a 1080TI than perhaps it will be the card that is able to push 4k 144FPS for the faster refresh 4k monitors that are starting to come out.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by ckocagil »

Cyph0n wrote: post #100
Keyframe wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either you're missing a smiley or you're serious. You can't be serious.

So you expect the things he mentioned are provided for free?

You're way, way overestimating the cost-per-item for everything mentioned there.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by mattnewport »

magoghm wrote: post #41
the8472 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean denoising? In RT raytracing you're generally short on samples and need to interpolate between them / smooth over the shot noise.

In their Siggraph presentation last week they mentioned using AI for both denoising and antialisasing (but they didn't provide anymore details about it).

There were a number of technical sessions at SIGGRAPH that went into more details, not sure if / when they'll show up on nvidia's website.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by Keyframe »

Cyph0n wrote: post #100
Keyframe wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either you're missing a smiley or you're serious. You can't be serious.

So you expect the things he mentioned are provided for free?

Which things exactly? Manuals translations is SO DAMN EXPENSIVE. They have to sell, what a dozen or so cards to get those losses? Or 7 european (EU) offices of which one is also a dev center vs 15 US offices (of which one is HQ/dev)? Or stock which comes to both from Taiwan?

In any case, it seems VAT is the explanation and in that case price is without premium, even great compared. Still expensive.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by xxs »

Zach_the_Lizard wrote: post #96
bitL wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the 2-year warranty, translation of manuals and a need to have office in all major EU markets due to different legal stuff that makes it all pricier.

Don't forget taxes. US prices are typically listed without tax included, whereas I'm guessing the European ones include VAT.

All prices in the EU must be final (hence incl. all taxes). Yes the ones in the US is pre sale/use tax.
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