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Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Where are you getting a 70-90% price increase? 1080s are ~$450, will now be $799. 1070s are ~$400, will now be $599. (I'm going off the top hits on Newegg)

For those confused, these are about what the 10 series Founder's Editions were priced at originally. When the 10 series was released, the 9XX series was around the same price as the 10 series is now compared to 20. The price isn't going up by 70-90%. It's that the previous series (10) is going down. Does that mean the 10 series isn't worth it? By all means, no. The 9 series was still an excellent series when 10 was r…

Which 10x0 FE did cost $1200? Did I miss something?

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Wow, were the founders editions really that cheap on the last gen? Guess the inflated prices from all the crypto mining really threw me off.

Yeah, they were. NVidia's lesson from the Crypto-boom seems to be: "Some gamers are willing to pay >$1000 for their cards". EDIT: To be fair, NVidia is still on 14nm or 12nm class lithography (I forgot which one). So the increased die size of these new chips will naturally be more expensive than the 10xx series. Bigger chips cost more to produce after all. So if you fail to shrink the die, the economics demand that y…

they overproduced the 1080 series

If they did, 1080Ti wouldn't be "out of stock" on their website.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, were the founders editions really that cheap on the last gen? Guess the inflated prices from all the crypto mining really threw me off.

Yeah, they were. NVidia's lesson from the Crypto-boom seems to be: "Some gamers are willing to pay >$1000 for their cards". EDIT: To be fair, NVidia is still on 14nm or 12nm class lithography (I forgot which one). So the increased die size of these new chips will naturally be more expensive than the 10xx series. Bigger chips cost more to produce after all. So if you fail to shrink the die, the economics demand that y…

Could you cite this? I've heard the opposite: that Nvidia didn't chase after the crypto market /because/ a crash would cause problems (if they overproduced). Besides, they make plenty of money everywhere else. Furthermore, Intel has charged (edit: consumers) $1000+ for a chip before. The market will bear it, crypto or no crypto.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Hmm, 24%-42% performance increase (14/16TFlops vs 11.3TFlops) for 70-90% price increase... And prices were already inflated by crypto that is now collapsing. Not sure who is the target market for this tech honestly. Still only 11GB RAM, even if 50% faster, making it a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning enthusiasts (state-of-art models are already larger). Unless somebody invented RTX-based coin of course, then this…

It's far from a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning professionals. At https://lambdalabs.com nearly every one of our customers is calling us up interested in the 2080Ti for Deep Learning. The reality is that very few people training neural networks need more than 11GB.

Without anything beyond claims what reality™ is, your response unfortunately just reads like an ad for your company.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

#65
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you getting a 70-90% price increase? 1080s are ~$450, will now be $799. 1070s are ~$400, will now be $599. (I'm going off the top hits on Newegg)

For those confused, these are about what the 10 series Founder's Editions were priced at originally. When the 10 series was released, the 9XX series was around the same price as the 10 series is now compared to 20. The price isn't going up by 70-90%. It's that the previous series (10) is going down. Does that mean the 10 series isn't worth it? By all means, no. The 9 series was still an excellent series when 10 was r…

Ehhhh, not really, but the release seems a bit different this time around. The 1080 Founders Edition and 1080 Ti FE cards both debuted at $700 USD. (The 1080 Ti was released nearly a year later.) This puts it closer to the now released 2080 FE, which is $800 USD.

The 2080 Ti FE, however, is in a league closer to the Titan X/Xp, which were at $1,200. Also they're releasing the highest-end Ti edition at the same time as the ordinary version, which is a first for Nvidia, I think? (The Titan Xp was also launched after, not concurrently, with the 10xx series...) I think the concurrent launch of the 2080 Ti with the ordinary variant means they're positioning it more like an alternative to the Xp, while the non-Ti variants are closer to the ordinary gaming cards you'd normally get. In other words, for people willing to blow their price/perf budget a bit more.

For DL workloads the 1080 Ti is very cost effective (vs the Xp), so it remains to be seen which variant will have the better bang/buck ratio for those uses. I suspect the fact these include Tensor Cores at their given price point will probably be a major selling point regardless of the exact model choice, especially among hobbyist DL users. The RTX line will almost certainly be better in terms of price/perf for local DL work, no matter the bloated margins vs older series.

They may also be keeping prices a bit inflated, besides margins, so they can keep selling older stock and pushing it out. The 9xx series, as you said, continued to sell for a while after 10xx was released. I expect the same will be true this time around, too, especially with prices being so high.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Any idea of how these GeForce RTX's perform in deep learning applications compared to Quadro RTX? (price/performance ratio) I assume that they might have decent inference speed, but how about learning? $800 card would be nice for initial testing and developing in personal desktop machine. Or are they somehow crippled??

These will make a good card to experiment with. I am going to purchase one when I can. More RAM which is nice for larger models, but you can do a lot with 8GB of ram, especially if you are just getting going. Do not let worrying about having the latest and greatest hardware keep you from getting started. Time is the most important resource to have, not spec sheets. These cards look like they will have Tensor Cores, w…

> These cards look like they will have Tensor Cores,

How they look like that? Do those cores support FP32 precision? I'm genuinely interested.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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post #16

Does anyone know how they are offering better raytracing performance? Are there new api’s or something?

This is exactly what im wondering, with the next gen consoles confirmed for AMD CPU/GPU I doubt there will be much Ray Tracing tech in the next generation, which means we're looking at 3-5 years before this tech can be mainstream. These GPUs will be antiquated by the time Ray Tracing can gain any real traction...

I would presume some games (and engines) will have an option to enable "real" and/or off-screen shadows/reflections.

Other than that it feels like a pure gimmick. Even in the demo of Lara Croft the fps drop is noticeable during the explosion sequence.

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