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I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by freehunter »

umvi wrote: post #33

While I applaud Apple for some of their practices, I still hate their heavy handed approach toward hardware/software control: - OSX must run on Apple-approved hardware - iOS apps must come from the official app store - iOS apps must be developed on an Apple-approved device - Extremely difficult to repair your own devices - etc.

Meanwhile, those are the reasons I applaud Apple. I don't want to be responsible for repairing my own device. I don't want to deal with drivers and compatibility issues. I don't want to deal with virus scanners and third-party payment systems and the stuff that comes with an uncontrolled app store. The only one I kind of agree with is developing iOS apps on Macs, but only as far as I wish the iPad Pro had the capabilities to run XCode as well.

I can completely understand why other people want those things, and I'm glad they have a choice that fits their needs. For my needs, I'm really glad I have Apple.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by PappaPatat »

solarkraft wrote: post #42

Ah man. Tim is a cool guy and Apple's products are quite solid, but their arrogance just isn't quite gone yet. I don't want to charge through a weird port, need a dongle for everything and be prevented from installing/using proper apps that can even do what theirs can.

That's your list of priorities: great! I understand your decision. However I accept all of these inconveniences since my list is different: Privacy

Tom Cook's words: > If you look at our model, if we can convince you to buy an iPhone or an iPad, we'll make a little bit of money. You're not our product.

Not to mention that I love the years long consistent updates of all my iPhones / Macs.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by nazka »

umvi wrote: post #33

While I applaud Apple for some of their practices, I still hate their heavy handed approach toward hardware/software control: - OSX must run on Apple-approved hardware - iOS apps must come from the official app store - iOS apps must be developed on an Apple-approved device - Extremely difficult to repair your own devices - etc.

Like Steve Jobs said: "people who are really serious about software should make their own hardware". I heard that a lot and never thought about it. But it started to grow in me and now I can see it wasn't just a cool sentence but rather a real mean to make the best products ever to have the best experience. Even if it was challenging and he had to go against the flow.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by ProAm »

Bud wrote: post #6
ProAm wrote: post #3

If only we could praise the actual product (iPhone, Macbook Pro, Mac Pro, iMac, etc...) for being amazing an great and not something they dont do (collect user personal data and sell it). It's great Apple takes privacy seriously (as all companies should) it seems like lately Apple is using that all the cherry for the company versus turning out great innovative products that just work (like they used to). If they did…

"Marketing" is the stuff you write about yourself. Praise from a critic is called something else.

I would agree but Apple has a handful of journalist it 'likes' and get's first shots at a lot of things. Not saying this is the case, and this is a good thing Apple does. I think its just ignoring a important part of the Apple ecosystem, the product itself.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by the_cat_kittles »

MBCook wrote: post #38
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #10

my mind is being blown that this is getting upvoted. this article can be summarized as "other companies are making dumb products, so good for apple for not doing that". what? what the what? is this vapid apple propaganda really worth the read? to me the salient trajectory of apple of the last 10 years has been the absolute decline of their software. people who upvoted this article- why? genuinely curious

This article is a mea culpa. He spent the last however many years bashing Apple for not doing what everyone else does. Now he finally sees there is value and merit to the way Apple has chosen to do things. That’s more than ‘everybody sucks so go Apple!’

ah- i dont follow the writer so that makes a bit more sense

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by kec »

kvczor wrote: post #32

"complex and expensive cashierless stores that won’t deliver much of an improvement to our shopping experience but may cost underprivileged people their jobs" Cashierless stores are simple and amazing. I won't even comment the part about "underprivileged people", this is straight up dumb. This is a time when an entire driverless car industry is trying to convince the world that its products are safe before it can eve…

Re: autonomous cars

Your narrative is a thing which could happen, not the current truth on the ground. The truth is every time a Tesla rams into a stationary object at speed, or an Uber runs down someone crossing the road, the public’s faith in the tech erodes. Every time that happens we edge closer to overburdensome regulation in the “Thanks to 3 mile island & Chernobyl it’s basically impossible to build a new nuclear plant in the US” sense, and farther away from your utopian dream.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by kvczor »

kec wrote: post #56
kvczor wrote: post #32

"complex and expensive cashierless stores that won’t deliver much of an improvement to our shopping experience but may cost underprivileged people their jobs" Cashierless stores are simple and amazing. I won't even comment the part about "underprivileged people", this is straight up dumb. This is a time when an entire driverless car industry is trying to convince the world that its products are safe before it can eve…

Re: autonomous cars Your narrative is a thing which could happen, not the current truth on the ground. The truth is every time a Tesla rams into a stationary object at speed, or an Uber runs down someone crossing the road, the public’s faith in the tech erodes. Every time that happens we edge closer to overburdensome regulation in the “Thanks to 3 mile island & Chernobyl it’s basically impossible to build a new nucle…

Accidents will happen, that is inevitable. Autonomous cars don't have to be perfect - they only have to be better than humans and that bar is not set very high.

There are very little examples of autonomous cars causing trouble on the road and plenty of them preventing accidents - an example would be videos on youtube showing Teslas predicting accidents in advance and taking action.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by mcphage »

kvczor wrote: post #57
kec wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: autonomous cars Your narrative is a thing which could happen, not the current truth on the ground. The truth is every time a Tesla rams into a stationary object at speed, or an Uber runs down someone crossing the road, the public’s faith in the tech erodes. Every time that happens we edge closer to overburdensome regulation in the “Thanks to 3 mile island & Chernobyl it’s basically impossible to build a new nucle…

Accidents will happen, that is inevitable. Autonomous cars don't have to be perfect - they only have to be better than humans and that bar is not set very high. There are very little examples of autonomous cars causing trouble on the road and plenty of them preventing accidents - an example would be videos on youtube showing Teslas predicting accidents in advance and taking action.

> they only have to be better than humans and that bar is not set very high

It’s not, but driverless car manufacturers seem intent on pushing their cars out before even reaching that low bar.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by archagon »

kvczor wrote: post #57
kec wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: autonomous cars Your narrative is a thing which could happen, not the current truth on the ground. The truth is every time a Tesla rams into a stationary object at speed, or an Uber runs down someone crossing the road, the public’s faith in the tech erodes. Every time that happens we edge closer to overburdensome regulation in the “Thanks to 3 mile island & Chernobyl it’s basically impossible to build a new nucle…

Accidents will happen, that is inevitable. Autonomous cars don't have to be perfect - they only have to be better than humans and that bar is not set very high. There are very little examples of autonomous cars causing trouble on the road and plenty of them preventing accidents - an example would be videos on youtube showing Teslas predicting accidents in advance and taking action.

> they only have to be better than humans and that bar is not set very high

Not to rehash this discussion, but: the bar is actually set very high, and current self-driving tests are seemingly not meeting it. There's a lot of deaths because there's a whole lot of driving.

Give humans credit where it's due.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by kuu »

merpnderp wrote: post #31
ordinaryradical wrote: post #14

The narrative that it’s marketing or cult thinking that got Apple here always ignores this elephant in the room: what if consumers put a premium on their privacy? Privacy is itself valuable. Until SV can see this obvious, self-evident truth, the ad-driven models will rule and shrivel with a predictable boom-bust cadence.

I prefer most things Google, but stick with Apple for the privacy. I'll put up with lower quality services, buggy Apple TV, and an expensive phone that arguably not much better than a $200 cheaper Google alternative, just to know some creepy corporation isn't collecting mounds of data on me which will be used who knows how in the future.

I'm pretty sure Apple also collects your data.
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