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Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by merpnderp » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 4:12 PM UTC

saudioger wrote: post #12

Despite the iPhone and business success, I do kind of mourn for the days when their hardware was more reliable. My 2017 Macbook is not nearly as nice as my 2015 model. Though, as a bit of irony I do like that I can charge my Android phone with my Macbook charger.

I have family members still happily rocking their 2011 models and I use my 2013 every single day at work. I have no confidence that their latest models will have that type of longevity and will likely switch to Linux when they quit working.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by solarkraft » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 4:12 PM UTC

Ah man. Tim is a cool guy and Apple's products are quite solid, but their arrogance just isn't quite gone yet.

I don't want to charge through a weird port, need a dongle for everything and be prevented from installing/using proper apps that can even do what theirs can.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by solarkraft » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 4:13 PM UTC

ordinaryradical wrote: post #14

The narrative that it’s marketing or cult thinking that got Apple here always ignores this elephant in the room: what if consumers put a premium on their privacy? Privacy is itself valuable. Until SV can see this obvious, self-evident truth, the ad-driven models will rule and shrivel with a predictable boom-bust cadence.

Some probably do, but I'm crazy enough to say most consumers probably don't care that much.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by ko27 » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 4:14 PM UTC

stupidcar wrote: post #18

> (But I won’t buy a $1,000 phone; sorry, Mr. Cook.) Strange that the author correctly dissects the problem with Apple's competitors, i.e. that their products are subsidised by violating their users' privacy and selling their data, but then ends with the conclusion that they still won't pay what Apple is charging. I wish they'd elaborated: Are they arguing that it'd better not to have a smartphone, or better to accep…

> or better to accept selling your privacy to get a cheaper phone?

Or better to not support propriety and locked down systems to benefit all consumers in the future?

Android vs Apple is not even remotely close to being a black and white morality issue.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by rainbowmverse » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 4:14 PM UTC

applecore wrote: post #40

rainbowmverse wrote: post #7

Replacing my 3 year old Moto G3 with a 3 year old 6S Plus was one of the best calls I've made in years. It's a weird feeling being current on an older phone, and knowing that it's got at least one more OS update coming. I know it's flagship vs. budget, but the way the Android phone began decaying before it even got here was still inexcusable. I'd never really used an Apple device before, so it was easy to knock them…

Plus, iOS 12 is going to significantly improve performance on all devices as far back as the iPhone 5S. When was the last time a major Android update made five-year-old devices faster? https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-12-preview/features/

I'm looking forward to it. It's fast now because it's at least 4x more powerful than my old one (going by benchmarks), but I won't turn down 40% more. Especially if that translates to better battery life doing average CPU-light stuff.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by cryptozeus » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 4:14 PM UTC

Why is everyone here talking about iphone and mac products ? I thought the article was about how the Apple’s philosophy has remained true to the customers vs rest of the big sv companies

“We view that privacy is a fundamental human right and that it's an extremely complex situation if you're a user to understand a lot of the user agreements and so forth. And we've always viewed that part of our role was to sort of make things as simple as possible for the user and provide them a level of privacy and security. And so that's how we look at it.”

This I agree with 100%

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by solarkraft » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 4:15 PM UTC

MBCook wrote: post #27

dingaling wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or get the cheaper subsidised phone and don't submit to the data collection. Much like buying a Windows laptop subsidised with crapware but putting Linux on it.

How do you not submit to the data collection? Didn’t we just find out google does that when you turn it off?

Remove Google software.

Unfortunately usually seems to result in a pretty bad experience.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by ReverseCold » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 4:18 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #19

rainbowmverse wrote: post #7

Replacing my 3 year old Moto G3 with a 3 year old 6S Plus was one of the best calls I've made in years. It's a weird feeling being current on an older phone, and knowing that it's got at least one more OS update coming. I know it's flagship vs. budget, but the way the Android phone began decaying before it even got here was still inexcusable. I'd never really used an Apple device before, so it was easy to knock them…

Two big reasons why I might switch from Android to Apple: - My Bluetooth audio has been broken for years. There's a discussion forum topic about this, but Google doesn't listen. - Starting the camera app takes about 3-5 seconds. In most cases, this is enough time to spoil the entire photo-moment. Edit: it's also the fact that Google allowed these problems to exist in the first place.

These are bad reasons. Top of the line Android phones generally have better/faster launching cameras than the top of the line iPhone and don't have bluetooth broken.

Even some mid-range Android phones would probably outperform the iPhone X in these two areas.

Valid reasons to switch to an Apple product (in my opinion) are

- Privacy

- Better App Ecosystem (arguably, for both MacOS and iOS)

- Faster Processors (for iOS)

- Better idle battery life (for both)

- Battery Life in general (for MacOS)

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by partiallypro » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 4:18 PM UTC

stupidcar wrote: post #18

> (But I won’t buy a $1,000 phone; sorry, Mr. Cook.) Strange that the author correctly dissects the problem with Apple's competitors, i.e. that their products are subsidised by violating their users' privacy and selling their data, but then ends with the conclusion that they still won't pay what Apple is charging. I wish they'd elaborated: Are they arguing that it'd better not to have a smartphone, or better to accep…

I wouldn't call it "subsidizing," the profit margins on the iPhone and other flagships are around ~40%+. It's more like padding profit margins. Google is the the main company that makes money from user data, and that is used to subsidize Android development itself, not the hardware.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Post by ReverseCold » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 4:23 PM UTC

solarkraft wrote: post #43

ordinaryradical wrote: post #14

The narrative that it’s marketing or cult thinking that got Apple here always ignores this elephant in the room: what if consumers put a premium on their privacy? Privacy is itself valuable. Until SV can see this obvious, self-evident truth, the ad-driven models will rule and shrivel with a predictable boom-bust cadence.

Some probably do, but I'm crazy enough to say most consumers probably don't care that much.

It's definitely a niche product. I think in general people would rather have a free product that abuses their data over a paid one that does not. (Anecdotally based off a group of people not generally known to have a ton of money.)