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I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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If only we could praise the actual product (iPhone, Macbook Pro, Mac Pro, iMac, etc...) for being amazing an great and not something they dont do (collect user personal data and sell it). It's great Apple takes privacy seriously (as all companies should) it seems like lately Apple is using that all the cherry for the company versus turning out great innovative products that just work (like they used to). If they did…

The privacy practices are part of the product.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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If only we could praise the actual product (iPhone, Macbook Pro, Mac Pro, iMac, etc...) for being amazing an great and not something they dont do (collect user personal data and sell it). It's great Apple takes privacy seriously (as all companies should) it seems like lately Apple is using that all the cherry for the company versus turning out great innovative products that just work (like they used to). If they did…

The MacBook Pro and Mac Pro I’ll give you, I agree there. I think the iMac is doing fine, maybe it’s time for a spec bump (next month?).

What’s wrong with the iPhone though? That’s the product that seems to work better than any of the others. How have the last few years not been great?

Im not looking for some small personal preference thing, like the lack of the headphone jack.

The MBPs lost useful ports for a flakey ecosystem, have keyboard problems, lowered their battery life for real work, and got hotter.

The Mac Pro... is from 2013. Enough said.

What problems of any similar caliber exist for the iPhone?

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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I'm not sure if it's okay to call the entire Silicon Valley has gone rogue. Satya Nadella's Microsoft is still one company that's not part of these controversies and yet trying to innovate at the same time. What's disheartening is how Apple has become like IBM rather than Amazon. Probably, Always listening on Speaker that can steal couple's conversation wasn't their thing but they failed to capitalize on the love Sir…

Microsoft is not a Silicon Valley company and they are very much involved in these 'controversies' - lots of people have serious concerns about Windows 10 and privacy and, of course, Microsoft runs a search engine, a chat/VoIP service among many other things.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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> (But I won’t buy a $1,000 phone; sorry, Mr. Cook.) Strange that the author correctly dissects the problem with Apple's competitors, i.e. that their products are subsidised by violating their users' privacy and selling their data, but then ends with the conclusion that they still won't pay what Apple is charging. I wish they'd elaborated: Are they arguing that it'd better not to have a smartphone, or better to accep…

Or get the cheaper subsidised phone and don't submit to the data collection.

Much like buying a Windows laptop subsidised with crapware but putting Linux on it.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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If only we could praise the actual product (iPhone, Macbook Pro, Mac Pro, iMac, etc...) for being amazing an great and not something they dont do (collect user personal data and sell it). It's great Apple takes privacy seriously (as all companies should) it seems like lately Apple is using that all the cherry for the company versus turning out great innovative products that just work (like they used to). If they did…

Where I thought you were going with that when I read your first sentence is, I wish people could look at products for the things they do (features they have) rather than for the things they don't do (features they don't have). Regardless of Apple's recent slip in quality, they consistently put out features later than some of their competitors, but also at a higher quality than their competitors. Too often I'll see an article about "Apple introduces TouchID" and the comments say "Samsung has had a fingerprint reader for years!" like that matters or like the various fingerprint reader solutions were any good before TouchID. Or the iPod, we all know it's not the first MP3 player, but it was a very high quality MP3 player with a very high quality user experience, which really does matter.

I felt the same way about Palm (Google was a cooler company, so Android won even though WebOS was a more pure Linux system, friendlier to developers, and HTML/JS was the preferred app architecture followed by standard C++) and Microsoft (they don't have X app, even though the features from X app are built into the core OS). Dropbox was the same way, people hated on it when it was released because a hacked-together rsync solution worked "the same way".

Too often we get hung up on what a product doesn't do or doesn't do uniquely and ignore that execution is often more important. It's possible to launch into a crowded and competitive market and win, as long as you execute better.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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> (But I won’t buy a $1,000 phone; sorry, Mr. Cook.) Strange that the author correctly dissects the problem with Apple's competitors, i.e. that their products are subsidised by violating their users' privacy and selling their data, but then ends with the conclusion that they still won't pay what Apple is charging. I wish they'd elaborated: Are they arguing that it'd better not to have a smartphone, or better to accep…

That’s Apple’s top of the line phone. You can ge a very nice new phone for $700 from them as well.

That was all I read into it.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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> (But I won’t buy a $1,000 phone; sorry, Mr. Cook.) Strange that the author correctly dissects the problem with Apple's competitors, i.e. that their products are subsidised by violating their users' privacy and selling their data, but then ends with the conclusion that they still won't pay what Apple is charging. I wish they'd elaborated: Are they arguing that it'd better not to have a smartphone, or better to accep…

Or get the cheaper subsidised phone and don't submit to the data collection. Much like buying a Windows laptop subsidised with crapware but putting Linux on it.

How do you not submit to the data collection? Didn’t we just find out google does that when you turn it off?

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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my mind is being blown that this is getting upvoted. this article can be summarized as "other companies are making dumb products, so good for apple for not doing that". what? what the what? is this vapid apple propaganda really worth the read? to me the salient trajectory of apple of the last 10 years has been the absolute decline of their software. people who upvoted this article- why? genuinely curious

Because some people judge companies by metrics other than just the quality of the software they write? It's perfectly possible for Apple to create software of a poor or deteriorating quality while having a more sensible business model than their competitors. The one has little to do with the other.

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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I switched to android and am struggling to justify buying a new mac laptop: their whole platform is in the rear view mirror for me after decades of use. I may just get a chrome book to replace the old Air I'm writing this on. Time for a new platform with some new innovations!

Re: I’m Sorry I Criticized You, Apple. You Win

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> (But I won’t buy a $1,000 phone; sorry, Mr. Cook.) Strange that the author correctly dissects the problem with Apple's competitors, i.e. that their products are subsidised by violating their users' privacy and selling their data, but then ends with the conclusion that they still won't pay what Apple is charging. I wish they'd elaborated: Are they arguing that it'd better not to have a smartphone, or better to accep…

No need to buy the overrated $1k flagship, the $400ish SE is a fine phone for most people.
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