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Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by some_account »

njarboe wrote: post #132
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also sharing. Taking the time to save a link/picture, go to another site, and typing in a description and comments on material? Great. Seeing a cat picture and instantaneously clicking "share"? Screw that. That kind of behavior is in the website's interest, not mine. It creates an endless stream of slightly-interesting material from people I know, just enough to keep me watching but not enough to feel like anything g…

Most people in the US spend an amazing amount of time watching TV. The average for adults is about 5 hours a day[1]. Not sure if I really believe these numbers, as many people have the TV on when doing something else (I hope), but most people don't choose to do something "productive" with their free time. Is social media better that TV? I would say social media has more value and is more likely to cause damage, but a…

I think it's because work makes people tired so all they want to do is rest, and then tv comes on....

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by peterxpark »

themagician wrote: post #100

Social media wasn’t always like this. I think back to the ways I used Twitter, Facebook and Instagram in the early days and they were completely different than they way they are used today. They were personal, real time, and no one cared about “likes”. I think a lot of the problems with social media today could be solved just by removing “the numbers.” If suddenly all the like, follower, following, and comment counts…

For FB, there's Facebook Demetricator which removes all those #s, works only for desktop browsers unfortunately. Not affiliated in any way, just a fan and surprised I only discovered it very recently.

https://bengrosser.com/projects/facebook-demetricator/

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by Ntrails »

sreyaNotfilc wrote: post #148

Wow, this topic is so relevant to me. I felt that I've became obsessed with "likes" recently on Reddit. Well, they call it karma. But, same thing. Karma points are kinda hard to get. Mainly because there are 3 things that has to happen - 1. Write your comment early enough 2. Write something witty enough 3. The thread needs to become somewhat popular Sports threads, mainly Game threads, are a gold mine for karma. I fo…

- Looks top right of HN

- See karma has gone up

- Micro fistpump

- See which comment got upvoted

- Revel in own wit

- Go back to work

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

#154

Post by EADGBE »

sreyaNotfilc wrote: post #148

Wow, this topic is so relevant to me. I felt that I've became obsessed with "likes" recently on Reddit. Well, they call it karma. But, same thing. Karma points are kinda hard to get. Mainly because there are 3 things that has to happen - 1. Write your comment early enough 2. Write something witty enough 3. The thread needs to become somewhat popular Sports threads, mainly Game threads, are a gold mine for karma. I fo…

Substitute "Reddit" for "Hacker News". Same difference.

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by sreyaNotfilc »

EADGBE wrote: post #154
sreyaNotfilc wrote: post #148

Wow, this topic is so relevant to me. I felt that I've became obsessed with "likes" recently on Reddit. Well, they call it karma. But, same thing. Karma points are kinda hard to get. Mainly because there are 3 things that has to happen - 1. Write your comment early enough 2. Write something witty enough 3. The thread needs to become somewhat popular Sports threads, mainly Game threads, are a gold mine for karma. I fo…

Substitute "Reddit" for "Hacker News". Same difference.

LOL, I just noticed I did the same thing just now. Ugh, the points.

I'm working on a site as well that has up votes. Mostly to eliminate spam.

I'm going to have the points hidden by default.

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by blueicecubes »

joe_the_user wrote: post #112
themagician wrote: post #100

Social media wasn’t always like this. I think back to the ways I used Twitter, Facebook and Instagram in the early days and they were completely different than they way they are used today. They were personal, real time, and no one cared about “likes”. I think a lot of the problems with social media today could be solved just by removing “the numbers.” If suddenly all the like, follower, following, and comment counts…

I'm one Facebook a lot and even on the rather leftward side and I don't experience any extreme toxicity (though I hear a lot about it). Some of my friends care about likes but mostly when they feel they're being ignored. I administer a large-ish group where respectful discussion is non-negotiable. It works, it serves it's purpose. I think "good moderation" is basically the answer for toxicity.

> "good moderation"

pun intended

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by bdhess »

adrianN wrote: post #146
bdhess wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's an amazing amount of societal damage that nobody will ever be able to quantify. We'll never know the books that weren't read, the inventions that weren't made, or the people that weren't helped because somebody was watching social media. Individuals have a right to recreation; they don't need to spend every waking moment being useful to society. The alternative is dystopian.

I don't like when "recreation" is something that is aggressively optimized to be addictive, err, I mean to "increase engagement". Billions are spend to keep people scrolling through their feeds as long as possible. That's different from taking a walk in the park or playing a game of cards with your friends.

This isn’t a new phenomenon. All of the arguments you’re making were made in the twentieth century about gambling.

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by demetricator »

peterxpark wrote: post #152
themagician wrote: post #100

Social media wasn’t always like this. I think back to the ways I used Twitter, Facebook and Instagram in the early days and they were completely different than they way they are used today. They were personal, real time, and no one cared about “likes”. I think a lot of the problems with social media today could be solved just by removing “the numbers.” If suddenly all the like, follower, following, and comment counts…

For FB, there's Facebook Demetricator which removes all those #s, works only for desktop browsers unfortunately. Not affiliated in any way, just a fan and surprised I only discovered it very recently. https://bengrosser.com/projects/facebook-demetricator/

Thanks for mentioning (I created the Demetricator). For those interested, I also have one for Twitter and one for Instagram (both desktop browser-based only).

https://bengrosser.com/projects/twitter-demetricator/ https://bengrosser.com/projects/instagram-demetricator/

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by jstarfish »

njarboe wrote: post #132
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also sharing. Taking the time to save a link/picture, go to another site, and typing in a description and comments on material? Great. Seeing a cat picture and instantaneously clicking "share"? Screw that. That kind of behavior is in the website's interest, not mine. It creates an endless stream of slightly-interesting material from people I know, just enough to keep me watching but not enough to feel like anything g…

Most people in the US spend an amazing amount of time watching TV. The average for adults is about 5 hours a day[1]. Not sure if I really believe these numbers, as many people have the TV on when doing something else (I hope), but most people don't choose to do something "productive" with their free time. Is social media better that TV? I would say social media has more value and is more likely to cause damage, but a…

I don't think it makes sense to draw a line. The same psychological manipulations we see going on with social media were tried and tested first with television decades ago.

Every minor thing is "breaking news!" and needless drama stirred up to keep you watching, in between the half a dozen tickers and counters on the screen with pointless metrics to look important and soak up your attention.

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by adrianN »

bdhess wrote: post #157
adrianN wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like when "recreation" is something that is aggressively optimized to be addictive, err, I mean to "increase engagement". Billions are spend to keep people scrolling through their feeds as long as possible. That's different from taking a walk in the park or playing a game of cards with your friends.

This isn’t a new phenomenon. All of the arguments you’re making were made in the twentieth century about gambling.

Are you arguing that we should forbid minors from using social networks and require them to tell users that what they're doing is addictive and to seek help when they notice signs of addiction? Maybe we should also strictly regulate using social networks over the Internet...
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