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Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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I agree with that: it's been my own experience of enduring severe burnout and coming out the other side in much better shape. That's what underpins my point of view on this: if we were better at supporting talented-but-flawed people through personal transformation instead treating them with hatred and ridicule every time they misstep, we could have more great leaders and more great companies.

> I agree with that: it's been my own experience of enduring severe burnout and coming out the other side in much better shape. Just for an anecdotal counterpoint, I endured severe burnout and ruined my health to the point of almost dying. I'm still struggling to regain my health 3 years later. To be fair, it's not 100% sure that the burnout caused my health issues (multiple pancreatitis attacks and major relapse of…

I’m sorry to hear of your severe predicament.

Things were quite grim for me too and I suspect my life might have been at risk had I continued on the destructive path.

But I was able to correct and turn things around - though the recovery has taken as long as 10 years (depending on when you start measuring from) and is still in progress.

But I know my life is not in danger anymore and I’ve had a long enough period of things steadily getting better that I can be confident of that continuing.

I’m quite confident your stress contributed to your health issues; I’ve extensively researched the mind-body link, and that’s been the key to my recovery.

You can contact me (email in bio) if you’d like any pointers.

Regardless, best wishes in your journey.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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Yes, but those in power were able to get away with it in the past. Now they're held accountable, in public, like a public crucifixion. Pressure of 21st century is enormous.

Not just the 21st century, this story on Ratners losing billions after some ill-thought jokes at the company's expense: https://thehustle.co/gerald-ratners-billion-dollar-speech

Ah yes, the infamous Ratner effect. I learned about it due to the Elop effect (the nail in the coffin of good ol' Nokia's demise).

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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What do you like about working? I'm really struggling to find something in life that I consider productive that I enjoy doing.

The first step is to figure out what you like doing, regardless of whether it’s productive. The second step is to just do it all the time. Over time opportunities will pop up.

My dad was a chemistry professor. He used to say that he could have done any job, but the idea of being a "scientist" really excited him when he was young. From an early age, I think I kind of held on to the idea that you don't change who you are based on the title of a job. You can do any job, but you are still you.

I worked as a programmer all through school (working for computer services at the university, or for various labs). When I graduated, I ended up travelling a bit and worked doing odd jobs at a travel tour company in London. If you've ever seen the movie "The Secret of My Success" with Michael J Fox, then this is pretty much what happened to me.

I got stuck in the mail room one day and was appalled at the ridiculous process they had. When a fax (or more commonly in those days, teletype) came in, you had to route it to the director of the department. That person read the message and sent it back to the mail room. Then you sent it to the manager of the department. That person read it and sent it back to the mail room. After about 3-4 rounds of that, it would get to the person who actually needed to read it. One day we got a message from a hotel that there was a problem and that they couldn't accommodate the bus that was coming in -- in 3 hours. So I photocopied the teletype, sent the original to the director and the copy to the person who could actually solve the problem. Later the managing director came down from on high (literally) and thanked me for helping. It became my job to read all the incoming mail and make sure that the appropriate person got mail as soon as possible.

You should have seen the backlash in the company. People were incensed that this young kid was reading all of the mail and was making decisions about how to route important information. Someone even told me, "I've been working here 10 years and I've never even seen the MD." -- and not in a friendly way. But after that point the MD loved me and there was nothing they could do.

Another day, they asked me to wander up to the finance department to help with year end filing. Usually it took them 2 weeks to file all of the tax related papers for the year (because everyone was too lazy to file them as they came in :-P). Of course, I'd just spent 4 years learning every stupid algorithm on earth (the disadvantage of going to a school with a crap CS program) and I knew sorting :-). So I sorted the files. I took over a whole room and started putting papers in seemingly random order. People came up and asked, "Why are you doing it like that?" and I replied, "I don't know -- that's just the way you do it". It was sorted in 2 hours. The finance team thought I was a freaking genius and soon I found myself moved up from the basement to the fourth floor (2 from the top!). I refused to wear a suit, but the MD loved me anyway (and mostly everyone else hated me).

So I was working in finance and also reading everybody's mail when I noticed that the computer department (such as it was) was having very interesting conversations over internal mail. Long story short, they were embezzling money and essentially forming a plan to hold the company hostage so that they could spin off a separate company to perform services for them.

So I sat down and started writing up a plan to replace their ridiculous system with something that would actually work (and include a system to email faxes and teletypes to people... I mean, come on). Just basically doodling around with it in my spare time. Eventually I had the plan ready and was about to talk to the MD when...

I decided that I'd had enough of business :-) I went back to Canada and farted around in school for another year. Never did give the MD my report or tell anybody about the computer division's plot. The company is still in business something like 30 years later (and I think doing fairly well), so I guess it was fine. But the key is that it just didn't matter what my "job" was.

As you say, "Over time opportunities will pop up". Maybe in not such a ridiculous fashion as my experience, but they do. I've worked as a programmer for decades, but I also once quit my job, moved to Japan and taught English in a high school for 5 years. That job was also fun. There are hidden depths to anything you can do. Just keep in mind that there are some organisations and people who will just treat you like crap all the time, so avoid them. Other than that, you're as free as you want to be.

My favourite quote from Dr. Who was when someone asked who he was working for and he replied, "Work for? I don't work for anyone. I'm just having fun." I try to treat all of my jobs like that. I suppose I technically work for someone, but my attitude is that if I occupy myself with interesting things that benefit my boss, then nobody (important) will complain.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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Well, anecdotally, I'm from the UK, and hadn't heard of the Nissan Leaf until you mentioned it. Tesla, on the other hand... Although yes, actually that's very impressive. With regards to Hybrids, my (limited) understanding is that they are part of the problem - they're better, but only better by half. From what I'm reading about global warming, we need to push as far as possible towards a fully electric, mostly renew…

Plug in hybrids mean you get to pootle around on battery power for local trips to the shop/school/etc, but have a car for long trips

I didn't appreciate that difference in them, thanks.

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Landing boosters from orbit wasn't an original objective of Space-X. It arose as an off the cuff suggestion from an engineer after they failed to obtain Russian engines. Mr Musk deserves credit for running with the idea despite incredulity, but it wasn't due to his vision.

Well that is just a vast misrepresentation and distortion of the facts. The idea of landing boosters came about from spacex wanting to pursue reusable orbital vehicles from the beginning. Now spacex never wanted to acquire Russian engines. Where this russian connection comes from is before Elon started spacex, he wished to buy a few Russian ICBMS to launch a small greenhouse project to mars. The idea was to spur inte…

Musk’s talent is the ability to raise capital for ridiculous sci-fi projects. This skill at least partially requires the subject to believe that Musk will be at the helm to navigate the cannonball run endeavor.

If Musk isn’t actually pushing the buttons at Tesla then the magic is gone.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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What do you like about working? I'm really struggling to find something in life that I consider productive that I enjoy doing.

The first step is to figure out what you like doing, regardless of whether it’s productive. The second step is to just do it all the time. Over time opportunities will pop up.

I think the video game streaming niche is pretty saturated at this point :) You're right though. The problem is there isn't much I enjoy doing.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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The first step is to figure out what you like doing, regardless of whether it’s productive. The second step is to just do it all the time. Over time opportunities will pop up.

My dad was a chemistry professor. He used to say that he could have done any job, but the idea of being a "scientist" really excited him when he was young. From an early age, I think I kind of held on to the idea that you don't change who you are based on the title of a job. You can do any job, but you are still you. I worked as a programmer all through school (working for computer services at the university, or for…

This is a cool story, thanks for sharing. What do you find motivates you throughout the different types of work that you do? Do you just feel intrinsically motivated to be busy and do stuff?
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