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What happens when a Pacific island upsets China

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Re: What happens when a Pacific island upsets China

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Post by hkai »

nabla9 wrote: post #20
dleslie wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be interesting to see if/when China moves to economically censure a G8 country for engaging in trade with Taiwan.

Of course not. PRC is itself engaging in trade with Taiwan. This is about handful of tiny countries who still maintain formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan. For example United States is not formally recognizing Taiwan as a country.

It's entirely possible if Taiwan has an even more pro-democracy government than it has now.

I can imagine China can easily sacrifice the entire trade with Taiwan if the sensitive issues are concerned.

Re: What happens when a Pacific island upsets China

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Post by twblalock »

tsuabing wrote: post #25
coldtea wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am a Taiwanese millienial and I am deeply offended by this comment. Why would you say that the claim is understandable? ? Taiwan has been an independent democratic country with its own military, economy, culture, government, rules of law, and international relations for over 50 years. Doesn't this answer your own question? 50 years are nothing in historical terms.

what does that even mean??? South Korea was established in 1948. Estonia was established in 1991. The world recognizes these legitimate countries. From your past comment histories, it is clear you are pro China in every sense of the word. Maybe you should reexamine your values and see why you are so supportive of a disgusting government.

From your comments, it is clear you are pro China in every sense of the word. Maybe you should reexamine your values and see why you are so supportive of a disgusting government.

That's quite an overreaction, considering the person you are replying to did not mention China at all.

Re: What happens when a Pacific island upsets China

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Post by altcognito »

amaccuish wrote: post #12

> There is an ongoing discussion about China weaponizing tourism And America tried the same tatic with Cuba and many other countries. It's an effective tatic. China isn't doing anything new that hasn't been done before.

The US claimed Cuba as a part of its territory?

Re: What happens when a Pacific island upsets China

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Post by cmurf »

coldtea wrote: post #16
tsuabing wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a Taiwanese millienial and I am deeply offended by this comment. Why would you say that the claim is understandable? ? Taiwan has been an independent democratic country with its own military, economy, culture, government, rules of law, and international relations for over 50 years. The current Chinese government has never ruled over the island. Not to mention most Taiwanese currently support independence, especi…

> I am a Taiwanese millienial and I am deeply offended by this comment. Why would you say that the claim is understandable? ? Taiwan has been an independent democratic country with its own military, economy, culture, government, rules of law, and international relations for over 50 years. Doesn't this answer your own question? 50 years are nothing in historical terms.

China's current government is 69 years old. China and Taiwan governments are roughly the same age, arguably Taiwan is older by 2 year based on the earlier formation of its constitution, the government fled to Taiwan the same year the PRC was formed, 1949.

Re: What happens when a Pacific island upsets China

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Post by rb808 »

Elsewhere https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/news/cup-of-coffee-costs-2...

> Gourmet Master Co. slumped 7.5 percent in Taipei trading Thursday, wiping $120 million from its market value, after a newspaper in China published calls to boycott the chain for hosting the Taiwanese leader at a store in Los Angeles.

also https://www.yahoo.com/news/taiwan-airlines-being-dragged-chi...

> On April 25, a letter from the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) landed on the desks of 36 international air carriers. In it, the CAAC reminded readers that on February 27 the Chinese government had instructed airlines to review their websites, and remove any material that “mistakenly” identified Taiwan, Macau and Hong Kong as independent regions.

Re: What happens when a Pacific island upsets China

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Post by hkmurakami »

skh wrote: post #6
ericjang wrote: post #2

Hypothetically speaking, if one is opposed to some or all aspects of the "One China" doctrine, what can one do locally/globally to effect change? Or is the annexation of Taiwan a near-certainty via the forces of economics?

I believe that Taiwan will eventually merge with the mainland. Perhaps via the two-systems one China route that Hong Kong did. The claims of mainland China on Taiwan are understandable and I don't fault them for their perspective on the issue. Is the United States really willing to go to war with China over this? I don't think so. Are Thailand, Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, the Philippines willing to go to war with Ch…

If the US doesn’t defend Taiwan, it will lose all credibility of mutual defense with its pacific allies.

Japan will quickly develop nuclear weapons.

That is not an outcome Washington wants.

Re: What happens when a Pacific island upsets China

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Post by perl4ever »

amaccuish wrote: post #12

> There is an ongoing discussion about China weaponizing tourism And America tried the same tatic with Cuba and many other countries. It's an effective tatic. China isn't doing anything new that hasn't been done before.

It's reasonable to note that it's a much smaller offense in this case than with Cuba, regardless of what one may think of the merits. There's a difference between holding a grudge over acts like expropriation and revolution and trying to enforce correct speaking and writing by everyone. The latter seems hypersensitive and quixotic. It would be silly if the US cut off travel to Canada because they recognized the existence of the new government of Cuba.

Re: What happens when a Pacific island upsets China

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Post by nabla9 »

tsuabing wrote: post #13
skh wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that Taiwan will eventually merge with the mainland. Perhaps via the two-systems one China route that Hong Kong did. The claims of mainland China on Taiwan are understandable and I don't fault them for their perspective on the issue. Is the United States really willing to go to war with China over this? I don't think so. Are Thailand, Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, the Philippines willing to go to war with Ch…

I am a Taiwanese millienial and I am deeply offended by this comment. Why would you say that the claim is understandable? ? Taiwan has been an independent democratic country with its own military, economy, culture, government, rules of law, and international relations for over 50 years. The current Chinese government has never ruled over the island. Not to mention most Taiwanese currently support independence, especi…

You have my sympathies.

Just remember that nobody can give you your independence when China challenges it. You must take it and be prepared to pay heavy price for it.

When China forces others to choose side, most of the world looks at what is in their own national interest, not what is fair.

Even if China is not ready to invade, they can learn from Russian type frozen conflict, sanctions and blockades. Slow paced conflict is enough to collapse Taiwan's economy. Just few missiles per week against different harbors and airfield closes Taiwan for business. Declaring Taiwan's as a war zone, effectively closes commercial air and sea traffic. Few years passes and Taiwan is like Crimea, big powers are willing to sell Taiwan to China in exchange of something else.

Re: What happens when a Pacific island upsets China

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Post by nickserv »

altcognito wrote: post #33
amaccuish wrote: post #12

> There is an ongoing discussion about China weaponizing tourism And America tried the same tatic with Cuba and many other countries. It's an effective tatic. China isn't doing anything new that hasn't been done before.

The US claimed Cuba as a part of its territory?

Nobody is claiming Palau. The point is that China has effectively embargoed Palau, similar to the US embargo on Cuba following their revolution.
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